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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Sounds like you caught them on a good day. Why do you think Big Brother is on, because people have LONG attention spans ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Ahhh.....you've seen the O'Rielly Factor!!! FOX is generally viewed as a right-wing network -- which if I'm not mistaken is owned by an Aussie -- Ruphert Murdock!!!! I have to admit that I've fallen victim to the program as I watch him as one might watch in horror the cleanup of a traffic accident. I hate his way of cutting people off and taking cheap shots but on some RARE occasions he has made good points....I don't usually agree with him, but he is usually well informed.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Sorry, what was the question? Can't talk now, need to watch the Man Show...
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Reminds me of that time I caught the BBC, 'cept no one bothered to trying to make any points. Fox news does news analysis at night or more correctly "news entertainment". Bill Oreilly is wrong many times, but he's usually informed and has a reasoned (possibly wrong) point.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Andrew Torrance wrote: is this really the standard of US news presentation ? it doesn't get too much better, on TV. CNN and MSNBC tend to fly through the news at a blazing pace, too. network news is only 1/2 hour so there's not much depth there either. IMO, the best reporting is on NPR (radio). they have hours to fill and no ad space to sell, so they can spend 10 minutes talking about a single topic, where the others will only give you 45 seconds. most people in the US don't give a crap anyway. -c
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Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka>Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It never was. Go to a New York, San Francisco, or Chicago library and pull up old newspapers. Enjoy the sensationalism and shallow coverage. People are people, irregardless of the century. I personally like the entertainment and if I really want to know about something in depth, I can go on the internet and find articles and positions for all sides.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
I don't watch the nightly news but what I have seen is shallow and sometimes recycled. As another person mentioned, National Public Radio (NPR) has much better news (even though it is considered liberal and left-wing :)) and sometimes the "news" shows on at other times of the week have more in-depth reporting (e.g., 60 Minutes). There's only a certain percentage of the population that watch the junk you see. There's another percentage that are more thoughtful than to just accept what is given at face value. Sean Winstead
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>Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It never was. Go to a New York, San Francisco, or Chicago library and pull up old newspapers. Enjoy the sensationalism and shallow coverage. People are people, irregardless of the century. I personally like the entertainment and if I really want to know about something in depth, I can go on the internet and find articles and positions for all sides.
Richard Melton wrote: Enjoy the sensationalism and shallow coverage. People are people, irregardless of the century. Yeah, it's funny how as I get older, I notice that every generation claims that theirs was the last with any virtue. As in 'things sure have gone download since I was a boy'. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Holy Sh*t! When I learnt about UI design this was the max UI response delay allowed for the user not to notice! :cool: --- Sadly, these are the people that talk about "brainwashing" as of something that requires a cult, and a guy with a towel on his head...
Those who not hear the music think the dancers are mad. [sighist] [Agile Programming] [doxygen]
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Andrew Torrance wrote: Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . FOX tv channel is out of the loop, no pun intended, when it comes to other major national stations ABC, NBC, CBS in that order, if you ask me:| Plus, come on, FOX has "The Simpson's", they are going to have a spectacular national news show?:laugh: They did however, during our last Presidential Election, were the only national station to talk about ALL the Presidential candidates and not just the Rep.,Dem, and Green party(or whatever the hell they are) Later, JoeSox www.joeswammi.com
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Our culture today is largely based on the idea that people want to be able to get the main points quickly and whenever they want it. Also, the news networks are businesses, and they develop their content so as to attract the largest number of viewers, not to inform people as completely as possible. Hence the cool graphics and sound, good-looking hosts, and sensational headlines. People enjoy the fact that they can turn on a news network and get the basics of what is being talked about within 10-15 minutes, almost anytime during the day. If you want more detail you'll either have to surf for news, or read the newspaper, or listen to talk radio. preferably all three, but hey there is only so much time in the day. Personally, I find O'Reilley entertaining, and occasionally I even get tidbit or two of info from him. :) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Ahhh.....you've seen the O'Rielly Factor!!! FOX is generally viewed as a right-wing network -- which if I'm not mistaken is owned by an Aussie -- Ruphert Murdock!!!! I have to admit that I've fallen victim to the program as I watch him as one might watch in horror the cleanup of a traffic accident. I hate his way of cutting people off and taking cheap shots but on some RARE occasions he has made good points....I don't usually agree with him, but he is usually well informed.
Paul Wolfensberger wrote: FOX is generally viewed as a right-wing network -- which if I'm not mistaken is owned by an Aussie -- Ruphert Murdock!!!! Murdoch took out US citizenship some years ago (in order to get around some legislation excluding foreign ownership) so many of us Australians are now relieved to be able to refer to "that American Rupert Murdoch". John Carson
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
You should see them when they have someone on who knows what they are talking about... They back them into a corner with questions and cut them short for a commercial break! :omg: And when they do a whole interview, like I said yesterday, they edit everything that makes sense out, and only show you what they want to! The tabloids have more substance at times! :eek: The news is the last place to look for any usful information. I figured that's what CP is for. ;P - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
I get most of my news from the internet, but if I watch TV News its always FOX. CNN is horsecrap and MSNBC is even worse. If I want to get the latest info on a story, FOX usually gives it to me quickly.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
This is a big problem with tv news - especially as most people are accustomed to relaxing in front of the tv and just accepting whatever they are fed. This comes from watching too many movies / sitcoms / etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm no anti-tv campaigner, but I despise people who sit in front of it all night, never thinking about what is being poured into their brains (ok, let me not start on another mother-in-law rant outside of the soapbox :rolleyes: ). This is one of the internet's great strengths I think. There are many different news sites, and if you take the time to check a couple of them, you can make a more balanced opinion for yourself. We usually have GMTV on in the mornings, which has the news and weather, etc. Often it gives me a good idea of what to look out for on news sites during the day. It is a shame that all these couch potatoes are allowed to vote :(
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
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This is a big problem with tv news - especially as most people are accustomed to relaxing in front of the tv and just accepting whatever they are fed. This comes from watching too many movies / sitcoms / etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm no anti-tv campaigner, but I despise people who sit in front of it all night, never thinking about what is being poured into their brains (ok, let me not start on another mother-in-law rant outside of the soapbox :rolleyes: ). This is one of the internet's great strengths I think. There are many different news sites, and if you take the time to check a couple of them, you can make a more balanced opinion for yourself. We usually have GMTV on in the mornings, which has the news and weather, etc. Often it gives me a good idea of what to look out for on news sites during the day. It is a shame that all these couch potatoes are allowed to vote :(
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
I agree with you, TV news suck! They are too often manipulating people, and that's more easy with images than words, they are so sensationalistic they don't check their info, the important is to be the first. Megan Forbes wrote: It is a shame that all these couch potatoes are allowed to vote Here I disagree. I condemn less the couch potatoes than the ones who feed them consciously with this garbage-TV we have in our days, just to make more money. They are transforming the people in a mass of decerebrated consumers. I hope for them I will never reach a high political situation, 'cause I would try them for crimes against humanity. :mad:
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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Sounds like you caught them on a good day. Why do you think Big Brother is on, because people have LONG attention spans ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
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Ahhh.....you've seen the O'Rielly Factor!!! FOX is generally viewed as a right-wing network -- which if I'm not mistaken is owned by an Aussie -- Ruphert Murdock!!!! I have to admit that I've fallen victim to the program as I watch him as one might watch in horror the cleanup of a traffic accident. I hate his way of cutting people off and taking cheap shots but on some RARE occasions he has made good points....I don't usually agree with him, but he is usually well informed.
Yes , but do all news programs give such opinionated views rather than report the facts ? Do they all skim over important issues in a few seconds ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?