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  • B BRShroyer

    Have any of you used this keyboard layout long enough to say that it's better than qwerty? I've heard all the hype but wondered if it was really all that great. How hard is it to learn if you are using multiple computers (obviously some that can't be changed). My keyboard now has all the keys the same size so it would be easy to change over, but a real PITA to learn to type all over again. Although, with as many spelling mistakes that I make, it probably wouldn't be that much slower. For those of you who have tried it, how long did it take to get comfortable with it? Is it hard to switch between the two keyboards? For those of you who switched back to qwerty, why?

    Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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    Joe Woodbury
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    Contrary to popular belief Qwerty was a well researched layout--an early example of usability research. Experiments have not found Dvorak to be superior. Familiarity and practice are the most important factor in typing speed. In the end, some people like it, some don't. I never saw the point of learning since most people know qwerty and that's what keyboards they have.

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    • B BRShroyer

      Have any of you used this keyboard layout long enough to say that it's better than qwerty? I've heard all the hype but wondered if it was really all that great. How hard is it to learn if you are using multiple computers (obviously some that can't be changed). My keyboard now has all the keys the same size so it would be easy to change over, but a real PITA to learn to type all over again. Although, with as many spelling mistakes that I make, it probably wouldn't be that much slower. For those of you who have tried it, how long did it take to get comfortable with it? Is it hard to switch between the two keyboards? For those of you who switched back to qwerty, why?

      Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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      hairy_hats
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      I can type fast enough on Qwerty for everything I do, and especially when coding, accuracy is much more important than raw speed. I'm already typing in two (human) languages, I'm not going to try getting used to another layout as well!

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      • D Dalek Dave

        I will stick with the old style, I hate all this Chopin and changing.

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        Keith Barrow
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        Otherwise you might find yourself Liszting repeatedly between the two standards!

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        • J Joe Woodbury

          Contrary to popular belief Qwerty was a well researched layout--an early example of usability research. Experiments have not found Dvorak to be superior. Familiarity and practice are the most important factor in typing speed. In the end, some people like it, some don't. I never saw the point of learning since most people know qwerty and that's what keyboards they have.

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          Dalek Dave
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          Qqwerty was actually made to slow typists down as they typed so fast the old keys would get jammed together.

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            Qqwerty was actually made to slow typists down as they typed so fast the old keys would get jammed together.

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            Lost User
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            Opens card... LIE!

            Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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            • K Keith Barrow

              Otherwise you might find yourself Liszting repeatedly between the two standards!

              Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
              -Or-
              A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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              Dalek Dave
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              I would not like to Bach up the wrong tree.

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              • B BRShroyer

                Have any of you used this keyboard layout long enough to say that it's better than qwerty? I've heard all the hype but wondered if it was really all that great. How hard is it to learn if you are using multiple computers (obviously some that can't be changed). My keyboard now has all the keys the same size so it would be easy to change over, but a real PITA to learn to type all over again. Although, with as many spelling mistakes that I make, it probably wouldn't be that much slower. For those of you who have tried it, how long did it take to get comfortable with it? Is it hard to switch between the two keyboards? For those of you who switched back to qwerty, why?

                Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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                Keith Barrow
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                To be honest the layout doesn't matter to me greatly, I have fingers like plump polish sausages when it comes to typing. The one thing I will say is that, if you get used to Dvorak, you'll get irked by QWERTY whenever you come across it, and most machines do. I now this is the case from a phone I had that had an alphabetically-arranged keyboard.

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                  Opens card... LIE!

                  Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  Saint Stephen of Fry said it was so, so it must be true! Edit: St Wiki of Pedia says elsewise[^]

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                  • W Wjousts

                    Jason Hooper wrote:

                    I can switch back and forth between the two layouts mid-sentence if needed

                    Yeah, I can do that ohiohfui buiwebdfqi ubiqq

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                    Chris Meech
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                    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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                    • K Keith Barrow

                      To be honest the layout doesn't matter to me greatly, I have fingers like plump polish sausages when it comes to typing. The one thing I will say is that, if you get used to Dvorak, you'll get irked by QWERTY whenever you come across it, and most machines do. I now this is the case from a phone I had that had an alphabetically-arranged keyboard.

                      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                      -Or-
                      A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      Even Qwerty annoys when you switch to Colonial versions. I was in the US and kept having to swap out the # for the £ etc.

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                        Saint Stephen of Fry said it was so, so it must be true! Edit: St Wiki of Pedia says elsewise[^]

                        --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                        Lost User
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                        I thought QI had finally got round to saying it wasn't true that QWERTY slowed down typists. It actually sped them up by reducing jams at higher speeds of typing. I seem to remember watching that, but I'm getting old so am often confused.

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                        • L Lost User

                          I thought QI had finally got round to saying it wasn't true that QWERTY slowed down typists. It actually sped them up by reducing jams at higher speeds of typing. I seem to remember watching that, but I'm getting old so am often confused.

                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                          Dalek Dave
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                          Have they served the tea yet?

                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                          • H Henry Minute

                            Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                            and with less strain

                            There's an article from today's Insider[^] that agrees with that (Just past the football player picture).

                            Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                            BRShroyer
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                            There's a very good chance that article was what peaked my interest again. :)

                            Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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                            • D Dalek Dave

                              Have they served the tea yet?

                              --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                              Lost User
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                              They must have done because there are crumbs on my desk. I hate to think what I've been dunking the biscuits in otherwise.

                              Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                              • D Dalek Dave

                                I would not like to Bach up the wrong tree.

                                --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                CPallini
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                                Are you right? Are you wrong? Only posterity knows the Verdict.

                                Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                  Are you right? Are you wrong? Only posterity knows the Verdict.

                                  Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  You Handel these things well Fauré chap from Itlay!

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                                  • B BRShroyer

                                    Have any of you used this keyboard layout long enough to say that it's better than qwerty? I've heard all the hype but wondered if it was really all that great. How hard is it to learn if you are using multiple computers (obviously some that can't be changed). My keyboard now has all the keys the same size so it would be easy to change over, but a real PITA to learn to type all over again. Although, with as many spelling mistakes that I make, it probably wouldn't be that much slower. For those of you who have tried it, how long did it take to get comfortable with it? Is it hard to switch between the two keyboards? For those of you who switched back to qwerty, why?

                                    Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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                                    Henry Minute
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                                    I've never understood why it was called Dvorak. I've examined several and none of them had the keys in that order. Instruction to muppets: Please examine the icon I have used for this message. Thank you for your attention.

                                    Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      Even Qwerty annoys when you switch to Colonial versions. I was in the US and kept having to swap out the # for the £ etc.

                                      --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                      hairy_hats
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                                      Are you suggesting they made a hash of it?

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                                      • B BRShroyer

                                        Have any of you used this keyboard layout long enough to say that it's better than qwerty? I've heard all the hype but wondered if it was really all that great. How hard is it to learn if you are using multiple computers (obviously some that can't be changed). My keyboard now has all the keys the same size so it would be easy to change over, but a real PITA to learn to type all over again. Although, with as many spelling mistakes that I make, it probably wouldn't be that much slower. For those of you who have tried it, how long did it take to get comfortable with it? Is it hard to switch between the two keyboards? For those of you who switched back to qwerty, why?

                                        Brad If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. Either way, you're right.

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        Stick with the tools you're more likely to encounter wherever you go.

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Even Qwerty annoys when you switch to Colonial versions. I was in the US and kept having to swap out the # for the £ etc.

                                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                          Keith Barrow
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                                          And even then they call it "pound"

                                          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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