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Brothers of MPAA ask for outright censorship.

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    Some background: a while ago the Dutch brothers of the MPAA (called BREIN) won a civil case against some ISPs, who now have to block access to the pirate bay. That's stupid enough, but pales in comparison to what they're demanding now. Now, BREIN demands that the Dutch Pirate Party (but if they win they'll use it against everyone else, too) be forbidden to even suggest that the censorship of the pirate bay might be evadable. Or to even just talk about the existence of proxies and VPN's. In their own language (so that'll be Dutch):

    v) De Piratenpartij te gelasten zich te onthouden van het aanmoedigen van het publiek, waaronder gebruikers voor wie de toegang tot The Pirate Bay door hun ISP geblokkeerd is, om die blokkade te omzeilen, in het bijzonder door het aanbieden van informatie met de kennelijk bedoeling om hen die onder een blokkade vallen aan te zetten tot het omzeilen van zulke blokkades, met name via het subdomein tpb.piratenpartij.nl dat door de activiteiten van de piratenpartij bekendheid heeft gekregen als bron voor omzeiling van de blokkade van TPB;

    Censoring a political party seems like a nice move, right? Especially if it's the party that fights censorship.

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      Some background: a while ago the Dutch brothers of the MPAA (called BREIN) won a civil case against some ISPs, who now have to block access to the pirate bay. That's stupid enough, but pales in comparison to what they're demanding now. Now, BREIN demands that the Dutch Pirate Party (but if they win they'll use it against everyone else, too) be forbidden to even suggest that the censorship of the pirate bay might be evadable. Or to even just talk about the existence of proxies and VPN's. In their own language (so that'll be Dutch):

      v) De Piratenpartij te gelasten zich te onthouden van het aanmoedigen van het publiek, waaronder gebruikers voor wie de toegang tot The Pirate Bay door hun ISP geblokkeerd is, om die blokkade te omzeilen, in het bijzonder door het aanbieden van informatie met de kennelijk bedoeling om hen die onder een blokkade vallen aan te zetten tot het omzeilen van zulke blokkades, met name via het subdomein tpb.piratenpartij.nl dat door de activiteiten van de piratenpartij bekendheid heeft gekregen als bron voor omzeiling van de blokkade van TPB;

      Censoring a political party seems like a nice move, right? Especially if it's the party that fights censorship.

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      They forgot to forbid owning Guy Fawkes masks :)

      At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity

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        They forgot to forbid owning Guy Fawkes masks :)

        At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity

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        That would mean war.

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          Some background: a while ago the Dutch brothers of the MPAA (called BREIN) won a civil case against some ISPs, who now have to block access to the pirate bay. That's stupid enough, but pales in comparison to what they're demanding now. Now, BREIN demands that the Dutch Pirate Party (but if they win they'll use it against everyone else, too) be forbidden to even suggest that the censorship of the pirate bay might be evadable. Or to even just talk about the existence of proxies and VPN's. In their own language (so that'll be Dutch):

          v) De Piratenpartij te gelasten zich te onthouden van het aanmoedigen van het publiek, waaronder gebruikers voor wie de toegang tot The Pirate Bay door hun ISP geblokkeerd is, om die blokkade te omzeilen, in het bijzonder door het aanbieden van informatie met de kennelijk bedoeling om hen die onder een blokkade vallen aan te zetten tot het omzeilen van zulke blokkades, met name via het subdomein tpb.piratenpartij.nl dat door de activiteiten van de piratenpartij bekendheid heeft gekregen als bron voor omzeiling van de blokkade van TPB;

          Censoring a political party seems like a nice move, right? Especially if it's the party that fights censorship.

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          Well, this party supports (or at least its name suggests so) something which is commonly accepted as not moral and in the most countries is not legal as well. From other side you have a point that closing party is not a good thing. If it was up to me, I would let them exists, even win the elections if they can, and then piracy in Nederland will be perfectly legal. Then the legal software in the country will disappear overnight because the vendors will discontinue any support for this part of the world, many countries with a strong IT industry will start blocking IPs from Nederland (or even take the extreme path and stop buying tulips :-D ) and everything will settle down.

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            Well, this party supports (or at least its name suggests so) something which is commonly accepted as not moral and in the most countries is not legal as well. From other side you have a point that closing party is not a good thing. If it was up to me, I would let them exists, even win the elections if they can, and then piracy in Nederland will be perfectly legal. Then the legal software in the country will disappear overnight because the vendors will discontinue any support for this part of the world, many countries with a strong IT industry will start blocking IPs from Nederland (or even take the extreme path and stop buying tulips :-D ) and everything will settle down.

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            Piracy is legal already, actually. Or still, depending on how you look at it. It's compensated with a levy on recordable CD's and DVD's. But really now, censoring a political party? They didn't even do that to the paedo party - they were banned, but not censored.

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              Piracy is legal already, actually. Or still, depending on how you look at it. It's compensated with a levy on recordable CD's and DVD's. But really now, censoring a political party? They didn't even do that to the paedo party - they were banned, but not censored.

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              Well, I told you I’m with you for the “closing party” thing. As for the piracy I’m against it, but have to admit that some entities in the gaming industry (EA and it’s broken DRM for instance) are stimulating it big time and Sony does the same for the movie industry with its “localization” madness. As for the music I have no idea but I’ve read somewhere that the musicians make their money from the concerts not so from selling albums.

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                Well, I told you I’m with you for the “closing party” thing. As for the piracy I’m against it, but have to admit that some entities in the gaming industry (EA and it’s broken DRM for instance) are stimulating it big time and Sony does the same for the movie industry with its “localization” madness. As for the music I have no idea but I’ve read somewhere that the musicians make their money from the concerts not so from selling albums.

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                My problem with this DRM stuff is that it only punishes the honest customers. They have to jump through all kinds of loops and have to live with various restrictions while the dishonest ones have their ways of removing the DRM. To add insult to injury, the honest customer also has to pay the bill for those totally ineffective protection mechanisms. Unfortunately too many people prefer to be treated like fools as long as they get the next new thingie quickly enough. All it would take would be to completely ignore one of the publishers who went a little too far. Let their stuff collect dust in the shelves and watch how they get more desperate with every day and the others quickly let their great ideas disappear before they get the same treatment. Companies are like dogs. The snarl at you, they try to find out how far they can go and quickly become tame when they notice they have gone too far.

                At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity

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