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Having worked on material because of the of tractor roll overs and small children riding on tractors and falling off and under the wheel (which weigh enough to crush a child and do damage even without the rest of the tractor being attached), I disagree that what families do on their own property is none of the government's business. But only slightly, I disagree with the blanket statement of "children under 18 could no longer work in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.” That is complete and total BS. If the child can safely do the job, let the child do it. I was mowing the lawn when I was 12 and my parents were giving me an allowance for it. Did they violate child safety laws? Back then, no. On the other hand, if it is putting the child's safety in question, then the government does have an obligation to step in and protect its citizens, much like child safety services is supposed to do. Bottom line, when a child can work at home doing age appropriate tasks, LET THEM! It teaches responsability and work ethic. If their parents give them tasks that put them in danger, come to the parents and educate them.
OK, you have a point there. If the task is dangerous, the feds can step in and keep people safe, but the blanket statement given is too restrictive. Am I right?
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OK, you have a point there. If the task is dangerous, the feds can step in and keep people safe, but the blanket statement given is too restrictive. Am I right?
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You are absolutely correct. I'm curious how this new law would affect grants that are being awarded for farm safety education. If children are not allowed to do work, then why would you need to educate for proper safety for performing tasks on the farm?
Yeah, what would be the use of education on farm safety if the child could not even work? That doesn't make much sense in my opinion (and yours as well, it seems.)
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Because the ones with money take it for granted that there will always be food and they can't make as much money on it but sports is a very visible multi-gazillion dollar business like oil that everyone that touches it gets rich!
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Because the ones with money take it for granted that there will always be food and they can't make as much money on it but sports is a very visible multi-gazillion dollar business like oil that everyone that touches it gets rich!
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Version 3.0 now available. There is no place like 127.0.0.1I think the underlying cause is even a little more nefarious, but you got close. The average age of farmers is 50. No young people can learn to farm with this law. When the farmer dies, the kids will sell the estate since they won't be farmers, and will likely move to more urban areas. What does that leave? Readily available farmland for sale, to grow biofuels on. Farms will become nothing more than (bio)oil fields owned by conglomerates, no longer concerned with feeding people, but turning a profit. This will fight off future gas shortages by diverting food crops to oil crops, but the cost will be horrible to the world food market.
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Having worked on material because of the of tractor roll overs and small children riding on tractors and falling off and under the wheel (which weigh enough to crush a child and do damage even without the rest of the tractor being attached), I disagree that what families do on their own property is none of the government's business. But only slightly, I disagree with the blanket statement of "children under 18 could no longer work in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.” That is complete and total BS. If the child can safely do the job, let the child do it. I was mowing the lawn when I was 12 and my parents were giving me an allowance for it. Did they violate child safety laws? Back then, no. On the other hand, if it is putting the child's safety in question, then the government does have an obligation to step in and protect its citizens, much like child safety services is supposed to do. Bottom line, when a child can work at home doing age appropriate tasks, LET THEM! It teaches responsability and work ethic. If their parents give them tasks that put them in danger, come to the parents and educate them.
Farming is not something you can not totally go to school and learn it takes years of OJT to learn when to plant, what to plant, should I rotate, etc.. To extrapolate on your thesis; children under the age of 18 should not be allowed to learn to drive as there are way more teen related accidents, children should not be allowed to do housework because the chemicals they are exposed to might harm them, children should not be allowed to have sex, do drugs, play in the streets! Need I go on?, this law is absolutely ridiculous and if allowed to pass where will it end. Our rights are slowly be taken away and we are to stupid to realize whats going on. We might as well be fucking cattle. Moo!
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I think the underlying cause is even a little more nefarious, but you got close. The average age of farmers is 50. No young people can learn to farm with this law. When the farmer dies, the kids will sell the estate since they won't be farmers, and will likely move to more urban areas. What does that leave? Readily available farmland for sale, to grow biofuels on. Farms will become nothing more than (bio)oil fields owned by conglomerates, no longer concerned with feeding people, but turning a profit. This will fight off future gas shortages by diverting food crops to oil crops, but the cost will be horrible to the world food market.
Well put and I agree 100%!
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Zac Greve wrote:
What families do on their own property is none of the government's g o d d a m n business.
Exactly! Farms is what feeds the world, what if there were no farmers?
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what if there were no FAMILY farmers?
I believe this is the goal of the rules. To turn all the family farms into corporate farms in order to increase corporate profits. Or into other uses as another poster has suggested. All for the love of money.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
what if there were no FAMILY farmers?
I believe this is the goal of the rules. To turn all the family farms into corporate farms in order to increase corporate profits. Or into other uses as another poster has suggested. All for the love of money.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunIt's the golden rule; them with the gold rules!
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If you ever had anything to do with farming you know how utterly stupid this is. Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores[^]
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Version 3.0 now available. There is no place like 127.0.0.1The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents.[^] If these are truly dangerous tasks that should not be undertaken by children, this is discrimination against farmers' children. Surely the law should be framed to protect all children? IMHO, if the kid is capable of the work, they should be allowed to do it. Only one caveat: Safety Training. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old. How true. I was made to work vacations on a farm when I was 12 and 13. I left home at 14, and went to live in London. :)
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Farming is not something you can not totally go to school and learn it takes years of OJT to learn when to plant, what to plant, should I rotate, etc.. To extrapolate on your thesis; children under the age of 18 should not be allowed to learn to drive as there are way more teen related accidents, children should not be allowed to do housework because the chemicals they are exposed to might harm them, children should not be allowed to have sex, do drugs, play in the streets! Need I go on?, this law is absolutely ridiculous and if allowed to pass where will it end. Our rights are slowly be taken away and we are to stupid to realize whats going on. We might as well be fucking cattle. Moo!
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Farming is not something you can not totally go to school and learn it takes years of OJT to learn when to plant, what to plant, should I rotate, etc.. To extrapolate on your thesis; children under the age of 18 should not be allowed to learn to drive as there are way more teen related accidents, children should not be allowed to do housework because the chemicals they are exposed to might harm them, children should not be allowed to have sex, do drugs, play in the streets! Need I go on?, this law is absolutely ridiculous and if allowed to pass where will it end. Our rights are slowly be taken away and we are to stupid to realize whats going on. We might as well be fucking cattle. Moo!
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Mike Hankey wrote:
We might as well be f***ing cattle. Moo!
Please, please, consider the feelings of those corralled in cubicles.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
Sorry the gate was open for a split second and I made a mad cow dash for it. :)
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Sorry the gate was open for a split second and I made a mad cow dash for it. :)
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I made a mad cow dash for it.
Did you catch her?
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I really tried but I'm old and she's young and runs faster than me.
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If you ever had anything to do with farming you know how utterly stupid this is. Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores[^]
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You are absolutely correct. I'm curious how this new law would affect grants that are being awarded for farm safety education. If children are not allowed to do work, then why would you need to educate for proper safety for performing tasks on the farm?
Since there is such a Chicago connection to the White House I have a feeling the response will eventually be, "You need a union guy to plow that field! Don't you know how much training it takes? You need a licensed and bonded union guy that went through an apprenticeship."
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Since there is such a Chicago connection to the White House I have a feeling the response will eventually be, "You need a union guy to plow that field! Don't you know how much training it takes? You need a licensed and bonded union guy that went through an apprenticeship."
Sadly, it will be more of a "Did you plant the approved seed? Do you have a license to plant the approved seed? No? Ohhhhhhhh that isn't good. Here is your cease and desist. We will be reposessing all of your crops and sending you a fine. Have a nice day."
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Sadly, it will be more of a "Did you plant the approved seed? Do you have a license to plant the approved seed? No? Ohhhhhhhh that isn't good. Here is your cease and desist. We will be reposessing all of your crops and sending you a fine. Have a nice day."
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Farming is not something you can not totally go to school and learn it takes years of OJT to learn when to plant, what to plant, should I rotate, etc.. To extrapolate on your thesis; children under the age of 18 should not be allowed to learn to drive as there are way more teen related accidents, children should not be allowed to do housework because the chemicals they are exposed to might harm them, children should not be allowed to have sex, do drugs, play in the streets! Need I go on?, this law is absolutely ridiculous and if allowed to pass where will it end. Our rights are slowly be taken away and we are to stupid to realize whats going on. We might as well be fucking cattle. Moo!
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Version 3.0 now available. There is no place like 127.0.0.1I had a well thought out response, and then the hamsters ate it. I am to lazy to retype it all. Long story short, There is a big difference between learning how to drive in a vehicle with safety measures at 16 and driving a several ton tractor without any safety measures (not even a seat belt) at 6. Riding on your daddy's knee at age 4 while he drives the tractor may seem fun, but children do not see the dangers of such actions. Plus their parents think that because they did it when they were young, it is safe. In the rural midwest there are a lot of farm accidents that are completely preventable if people used a little common sense. Educate, educate, educate. If people are still to stupid, let them get themselves killed but do your best to make sure they don't take anyone innocent with them. Again, age appropriate tasks on the farm keep people safe. As the kid gets older, give more responsabilities with increasing risk that they know how to safely handle.
