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How do deal with a lead who does not know s**t about technologies

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  • C CS2011

    Now what do you do when you are trying to explain someone that this problem is bit difficult to solve and will require more time to give a proper solution and needs to designed properly so we can use it across the application. and you hear the response "How hard can it be. every one else is doing it":mad:

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    leckey 0
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    Just assume that all non-programmers think ALL TECH PROBS can be solved with Magic Jelly Beans. Then explain that Magic Jelly Beans need time to be cultivated, grown, and harvested. That can be around 75 days, like a pepper (at least where I live). Tell them that a change to their "garden" may affect all the gardens in a 10 acre square radius, so you have to check with all the other farmers/gardeners to see if the change will affect their plants. No one wants Canadian Thistle introduced into their garden just because it's bi-product of what other companies are doing. Wow....I really need to get out of my house.

    Whatever.

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    • C CS2011

      Now what do you do when you are trying to explain someone that this problem is bit difficult to solve and will require more time to give a proper solution and needs to designed properly so we can use it across the application. and you hear the response "How hard can it be. every one else is doing it":mad:

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      Mike Hankey
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      Ad Hoc design meeting with said lead since he knows everyone's doing it maybe he can help figure out how.

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      • M Mike Hankey

        Ad Hoc design meeting with said lead since he knows everyone's doing it maybe he can help figure out how.

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        Version 3.0 now available. There is no place like 127.0.0.1

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        CS2011
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        Actually he don't. It my job to distribute the work to the team members.

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        • C CS2011

          Now what do you do when you are trying to explain someone that this problem is bit difficult to solve and will require more time to give a proper solution and needs to designed properly so we can use it across the application. and you hear the response "How hard can it be. every one else is doing it":mad:

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          CPallini
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          Sorry you cannot deal with that, he wouldn't understand anyway (he is a PM, isn't he?). Hence go back to work and try harder to accomplish the task, after all every one else is doing it. :-D

          Veni, vidi, vici.

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            Just assume that all non-programmers think ALL TECH PROBS can be solved with Magic Jelly Beans. Then explain that Magic Jelly Beans need time to be cultivated, grown, and harvested. That can be around 75 days, like a pepper (at least where I live). Tell them that a change to their "garden" may affect all the gardens in a 10 acre square radius, so you have to check with all the other farmers/gardeners to see if the change will affect their plants. No one wants Canadian Thistle introduced into their garden just because it's bi-product of what other companies are doing. Wow....I really need to get out of my house.

            Whatever.

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            JOAT MON
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            leckey wrote:

            Wow....I really need to get out of my house.

            Or possibly scale back on Farmville? :laugh:

            Jack of all trades ~ Master of none.

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            • C CPallini

              Sorry you cannot deal with that, he wouldn't understand anyway (he is a PM, isn't he?). Hence go back to work and try harder to accomplish the task, after all every one else is doing it. :-D

              Veni, vidi, vici.

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              CS2011
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              CPallini wrote:

              after all every one else is doing it.

              :-D. Hope fully no one else will do what i did. i think once i go project will already be delayed by 6-8 months. Too bad for them.

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Indeed: have employed this tactic in the past and it always works (or gets you fired :-))

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                CS2011
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                mark merrens wrote:

                (or gets you fired :) )

                in my case i can rule this out as i have resigned already. No harm in doing this now :-)

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                • L leckey 0

                  Just assume that all non-programmers think ALL TECH PROBS can be solved with Magic Jelly Beans. Then explain that Magic Jelly Beans need time to be cultivated, grown, and harvested. That can be around 75 days, like a pepper (at least where I live). Tell them that a change to their "garden" may affect all the gardens in a 10 acre square radius, so you have to check with all the other farmers/gardeners to see if the change will affect their plants. No one wants Canadian Thistle introduced into their garden just because it's bi-product of what other companies are doing. Wow....I really need to get out of my house.

                  Whatever.

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                  Roger Wright
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                  Yes, you should go out and check the garden. Perhaps the Magic Jelly Beans are ready. :-D

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  • C CS2011

                    Now what do you do when you are trying to explain someone that this problem is bit difficult to solve and will require more time to give a proper solution and needs to designed properly so we can use it across the application. and you hear the response "How hard can it be. every one else is doing it":mad:

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                    Espen Harlinn
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                    It's been rumored that I know a thing or two about software development, so I was once hired out to a startup, let’s call them XYZ Technology, to help them get things going. The owner struck me as a nice, enthusiastic and humorous guy; let’s call him Jerry – and initially, as in the first month and a half, we got along great. I was introduced to the key customer, PQT Repairs, listened to their stories and noted their requirements – pretty much run of the mill stuff for an abc repair shop. XYZ Technology had developed what they thought was a manufacturing execution systems (MES), and their customer was convinced that this was the case. Jerry also entitled himself CTO, and thought of this system as his crowning achievement. While having no experience with industrial IT he had been able to develop a MES on top of Dot Net Nuke, or at least he thought so – never mind that he had never looked at a real MES, nor read a specification for one. There was also a tiny problem with the solution in that it didn’t work. First we spent nearly a month going through the design specification – 4 or 5 pages each day – I guess Jerry spent the evenings fabricating the stuff as we went along. Well, it was summer, and he was buying the beer. The day things started to deteriorate was the day Jerry finally allowed me to look at the code for the system – I spent a fortnight trying to make sense of it – while there was a lot of code, figuring out how the stuff had anything to do with the given design specification turned out to be impossible. Basically it was a bluff – and it turned out that I was expected to turn it into a real working solution in a couple of months. Jerry still runs XYZ Technology, a company that is capable of making money without delivering anything worth speaking of – because Jerry seems like a nice, enthusiastic and humorous guy. This would not have been possible if companies like PQT Repairs had a functional IT department. PQT Repairs had outsourced most of its IT department in an effort to cut costs, and like many other companies this leaves them vulnerable to con artists. Personally I think enterprises needs at least one person at the CxO level with deep knowledge about software architecture and development – and that management at all levels need at least some knowledge about this too.

                    Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS

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                      It's been rumored that I know a thing or two about software development, so I was once hired out to a startup, let’s call them XYZ Technology, to help them get things going. The owner struck me as a nice, enthusiastic and humorous guy; let’s call him Jerry – and initially, as in the first month and a half, we got along great. I was introduced to the key customer, PQT Repairs, listened to their stories and noted their requirements – pretty much run of the mill stuff for an abc repair shop. XYZ Technology had developed what they thought was a manufacturing execution systems (MES), and their customer was convinced that this was the case. Jerry also entitled himself CTO, and thought of this system as his crowning achievement. While having no experience with industrial IT he had been able to develop a MES on top of Dot Net Nuke, or at least he thought so – never mind that he had never looked at a real MES, nor read a specification for one. There was also a tiny problem with the solution in that it didn’t work. First we spent nearly a month going through the design specification – 4 or 5 pages each day – I guess Jerry spent the evenings fabricating the stuff as we went along. Well, it was summer, and he was buying the beer. The day things started to deteriorate was the day Jerry finally allowed me to look at the code for the system – I spent a fortnight trying to make sense of it – while there was a lot of code, figuring out how the stuff had anything to do with the given design specification turned out to be impossible. Basically it was a bluff – and it turned out that I was expected to turn it into a real working solution in a couple of months. Jerry still runs XYZ Technology, a company that is capable of making money without delivering anything worth speaking of – because Jerry seems like a nice, enthusiastic and humorous guy. This would not have been possible if companies like PQT Repairs had a functional IT department. PQT Repairs had outsourced most of its IT department in an effort to cut costs, and like many other companies this leaves them vulnerable to con artists. Personally I think enterprises needs at least one person at the CxO level with deep knowledge about software architecture and development – and that management at all levels need at least some knowledge about this too.

                      Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS

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                      CS2011
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                      Could not agree with you more. :thumbsup:

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                      • R Roger Wright

                        Yes, you should go out and check the garden. Perhaps the Magic Jelly Beans are ready. :-D

                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                        leckey 0
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                        Rog, sadly the magic jelly beans were never ready. Insert major female sigh.

                        Whatever.

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                        • R Roger Wright

                          Yes, you should go out and check the garden. Perhaps the Magic Jelly Beans are ready. :-D

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          Vivi Chellappa
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                          Magic jelly beans? Programmers need magic mushrooms!

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