Extreme Artificial Intelligence
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
I believe there are aspects of a biological organism that just cannot be fully replicated in electronics. We may get to the point where CPUs and software can replicate the processing power of a human brain (like one post says: we are as close to that as earth is to the edge of the universe) but I don't think it would ever be "alive" or aware of its self. Of course, this is my non-professional opinion so take it with a grain of salt. This is indeed a very interesting and thought-provoking post.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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but the brain uses some form of neural computation to generate self awareness don't you think that anything with short term memory is self aware? Imagine we erase some part of ones short term memory, is he/she going to know that they did what they just did at that moment?
That person would still be aware of self. He or she would just be confused ;).
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I believe there are aspects of a biological organism that just cannot be fully replicated in electronics. We may get to the point where CPUs and software can replicate the processing power of a human brain (like one post says: we are as close to that as earth is to the edge of the universe) but I don't think it would ever be "alive" or aware of its self. Of course, this is my non-professional opinion so take it with a grain of salt. This is indeed a very interesting and thought-provoking post.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
yeah it is hard to get around this thought, i was thinking that if you can hold a meaningful conversation with a machine and it can recognize you and respond to your emotions i don't see why it shouldn't be considered to be aware of it's environment and whats going on at least.
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That person would still be aware of self. He or she would just be confused ;).
yeah, but i think memory has something to do with self awareness.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
You know you've looked into a can of worms that people have been looking into for many many years. I would argue that once a comptuer passes the turing test than it will probably demand human rights or "intelligent lifeform" rights and will probably get some form of legal protection. I would call it self aware, it would probably call itself self aware. Good question. And judging by the number of responses many other people are interested too.
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yes it can be hard to do such a simulation on a single computer, but i also think self awareness can be achievable with programs not anywhere near as complex as the brain.
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You know you've looked into a can of worms that people have been looking into for many many years. I would argue that once a comptuer passes the turing test than it will probably demand human rights or "intelligent lifeform" rights and will probably get some form of legal protection. I would call it self aware, it would probably call itself self aware. Good question. And judging by the number of responses many other people are interested too.
Nice reply Tim Yen. :thumbsup:
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Good to see some support :laugh:
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
When you build it, you should ask it.
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When you build it, you should ask it.
Good one, but i think it can argue that it is self awareness and can convince a lot of people, and i think if it did that then it deserves to be considered self aware.:thumbsup:
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yeah, but i think memory has something to do with self awareness.
Would that mean that people with alzheimer's disease aren't self aware? ;)
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Would that mean that people with alzheimer's disease aren't self aware? ;)
No, they are self aware because alzheimer's disease affects long term memory,but short term memory maybe responsible for self awareness.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
One newbie mistake is looking at this from *only* a computer science aspect. Defining consciousness, as well as answering certain fundamental questions such as how it arises and is kept up are currently being researched very heavily. Anyone coming back with solely "In my opinion, *blah* defines consciousness" will be summarily dismissed ;P Thanks, Sean
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One newbie mistake is looking at this from *only* a computer science aspect. Defining consciousness, as well as answering certain fundamental questions such as how it arises and is kept up are currently being researched very heavily. Anyone coming back with solely "In my opinion, *blah* defines consciousness" will be summarily dismissed ;P Thanks, Sean
I'am afraid i did not look at this from "only" a computer science perspective, i have researched in neural sensory processing as well.And i don't seem to get your point, the reply is not clear. :)
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
In the free online course CS101 from Stanford University, available at www.coursera.com[^], they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + Stupid
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
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In the free online course CS101 from Stanford University, available at www.coursera.com[^], they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + Stupid
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
Amarnath S wrote:
they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + StupidIt's their opinion. :laugh:
Amarnath S wrote:
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
Extreme Artificial intelligence comes in because i'am talking about mimicking human intelligence in a machine. :laugh:
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Before this question, how do you know that I am self aware? It's quite easy to answer a "Are you self aware?" question for a program. My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness. Google Turing Test may give more information. But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
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Before this question, how do you know that I am self aware? It's quite easy to answer a "Are you self aware?" question for a program. My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness. Google Turing Test may give more information. But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
vault_zry wrote:
My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness.
yes that is right in someway.
vault_zry wrote:
Google Turing Test may give more information.
I know what Turing test is. ;)
vault_zry wrote:
But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
Yes, such intelligence can be achievable with other designs other than that of the human brain. I used the human brain in the question as a reference because we are convinced that it is the most advanced signal processor and gives as the self awareness we enjoy.:cool:
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Awareness is one thing. Being aware that you are aware is something different. Animals are aware but not self-aware (well, so I've heard). Self-awareness is being conscious. This brings to the fore how something develops consciousness. Is it a specific arrangements of molecules? Is it a specific set of chemical reactions? Or is it maybe a specific set of computations? I think consciousness works on a whole different level where computers will never dwell. So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
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Awareness is one thing. Being aware that you are aware is something different. Animals are aware but not self-aware (well, so I've heard). Self-awareness is being conscious. This brings to the fore how something develops consciousness. Is it a specific arrangements of molecules? Is it a specific set of chemical reactions? Or is it maybe a specific set of computations? I think consciousness works on a whole different level where computers will never dwell. So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
EbenRoux wrote:
So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
Well that's your opinion :laugh: I think self awareness has something to do with short term working memory and a set of computations which can be emulated in a program. We probably have self aware programs now, they need not be as complex as the human brain.:cool:
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