Extreme Artificial Intelligence
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
You know you've looked into a can of worms that people have been looking into for many many years. I would argue that once a comptuer passes the turing test than it will probably demand human rights or "intelligent lifeform" rights and will probably get some form of legal protection. I would call it self aware, it would probably call itself self aware. Good question. And judging by the number of responses many other people are interested too.
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yes it can be hard to do such a simulation on a single computer, but i also think self awareness can be achievable with programs not anywhere near as complex as the brain.
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You know you've looked into a can of worms that people have been looking into for many many years. I would argue that once a comptuer passes the turing test than it will probably demand human rights or "intelligent lifeform" rights and will probably get some form of legal protection. I would call it self aware, it would probably call itself self aware. Good question. And judging by the number of responses many other people are interested too.
Nice reply Tim Yen. :thumbsup:
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Good to see some support :laugh:
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
When you build it, you should ask it.
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When you build it, you should ask it.
Good one, but i think it can argue that it is self awareness and can convince a lot of people, and i think if it did that then it deserves to be considered self aware.:thumbsup:
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yeah, but i think memory has something to do with self awareness.
Would that mean that people with alzheimer's disease aren't self aware? ;)
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Would that mean that people with alzheimer's disease aren't self aware? ;)
No, they are self aware because alzheimer's disease affects long term memory,but short term memory maybe responsible for self awareness.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
One newbie mistake is looking at this from *only* a computer science aspect. Defining consciousness, as well as answering certain fundamental questions such as how it arises and is kept up are currently being researched very heavily. Anyone coming back with solely "In my opinion, *blah* defines consciousness" will be summarily dismissed ;P Thanks, Sean
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One newbie mistake is looking at this from *only* a computer science aspect. Defining consciousness, as well as answering certain fundamental questions such as how it arises and is kept up are currently being researched very heavily. Anyone coming back with solely "In my opinion, *blah* defines consciousness" will be summarily dismissed ;P Thanks, Sean
I'am afraid i did not look at this from "only" a computer science perspective, i have researched in neural sensory processing as well.And i don't seem to get your point, the reply is not clear. :)
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man.”
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
In the free online course CS101 from Stanford University, available at www.coursera.com[^], they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + Stupid
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
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In the free online course CS101 from Stanford University, available at www.coursera.com[^], they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + Stupid
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
Amarnath S wrote:
they say that:
The fundamental equation of computers is:
Computer = Powerful + StupidIt's their opinion. :laugh:
Amarnath S wrote:
Where does "Extreme Artificial Intelligence" come in?
Extreme Artificial intelligence comes in because i'am talking about mimicking human intelligence in a machine. :laugh:
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Before this question, how do you know that I am self aware? It's quite easy to answer a "Are you self aware?" question for a program. My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness. Google Turing Test may give more information. But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
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Before this question, how do you know that I am self aware? It's quite easy to answer a "Are you self aware?" question for a program. My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness. Google Turing Test may give more information. But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
vault_zry wrote:
My opinion is that if we can't distinguish a program from a human, or any creature, then we can say that it has self awareness.
yes that is right in someway.
vault_zry wrote:
Google Turing Test may give more information.
I know what Turing test is. ;)
vault_zry wrote:
But I don't think the way to achieve such intelligence is the same structure as human brain.
Yes, such intelligence can be achievable with other designs other than that of the human brain. I used the human brain in the question as a reference because we are convinced that it is the most advanced signal processor and gives as the self awareness we enjoy.:cool:
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Awareness is one thing. Being aware that you are aware is something different. Animals are aware but not self-aware (well, so I've heard). Self-awareness is being conscious. This brings to the fore how something develops consciousness. Is it a specific arrangements of molecules? Is it a specific set of chemical reactions? Or is it maybe a specific set of computations? I think consciousness works on a whole different level where computers will never dwell. So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
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Awareness is one thing. Being aware that you are aware is something different. Animals are aware but not self-aware (well, so I've heard). Self-awareness is being conscious. This brings to the fore how something develops consciousness. Is it a specific arrangements of molecules? Is it a specific set of chemical reactions? Or is it maybe a specific set of computations? I think consciousness works on a whole different level where computers will never dwell. So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
EbenRoux wrote:
So no self-aware computers or programs will likely ever be seen.
Well that's your opinion :laugh: I think self awareness has something to do with short term working memory and a set of computations which can be emulated in a program. We probably have self aware programs now, they need not be as complex as the human brain.:cool:
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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Yes for now one cannot compare the computer to the human brain, but in the future there will be need to do just that, especially when the Fifth generation computers fitted with sensory processing programs come into existence, anything with self monitoring capability and short term memory is self aware, so a program that can monitor and keep track (learn) of it's actions is self aware, so short term memory as something to do with self awareness, I respect your view on this matter, but my stance is that self aware is as a result of mere self monitoring and keeping a log of actions (learn) in a knowledge base. :)
If you're already convinced, then why did you ask the question?
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so in your own opinion, what causes self aware in humans?
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
what causes self aware in humans?
First, prove that we are. Are the characters in The Matrix (not the lead characters, but the ones who think they're going about leading "normal lives") self-aware? I think not. Are you sure we're not just some virus, software, or a dream being had by some being? Can you prove that I exist and am not just some imagining you're having?
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
what causes self aware in humans?
First, prove that we are. Are the characters in The Matrix (not the lead characters, but the ones who think they're going about leading "normal lives") self-aware? I think not. Are you sure we're not just some virus, software, or a dream being had by some being? Can you prove that I exist and am not just some imagining you're having?
No proof for that I'am afraid, that's the reason why we should not rush into concluding that programs can't be self aware. :)
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”
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If you're already convinced, then why did you ask the question?
I was not sure the moment i asked the question, but after thinking about it and taking into consideration views from others, my view evolved and became more inclined to the fact that some programs can be or are already self aware. :)
“Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let every new year find you a better man or woman.”