Buddhists?
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Christian Graus wrote: but why do we say 'practicing Christian' because you can be born into a religion but not actually go through the motions. ie. if your mother is jewish, you're jewish, period - even though you might not actually have ever seen the inside of a temple. -c
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I don't get this view on religion. What you describe is more a matter of ethnicity than religion. My grandmother on my mothers side was christian, thus according to this logic my mother must also have been a christian. Then I must also be a christian. But why is that? I don't consider myself christian. I've never admitted to christianity because it doesn't match my view of things. I can't be christian, but yet that is what others think. I just don't get this "religion by inheritance" logic... -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If you had, you'd know rather than believe. Did you want to turn this into a *serious* conversation ? :-) Christians *know*, because God has proven it. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I must say that I can relate my thoughts to much of its philosophies. Yes, in the absence of a God, I'd probably be a Buddhist. They have a lot of good ideas. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: what is the semantic difference, if there is any, between thinking something and believing something. One is an opinion of the head, the other an opinion of the heart. The first indicates that you thought about it, the second that it 'feels' right to you. Just my opinion. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: Did you want to turn this into a *serious* conversation ? I never back down from discussions (unless I really have to be doing something else ;)) It broadens ones mind. Christian Graus wrote: Christians *know*, because God has proven it. Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! There is no belief, only knowledge. And this just doesn't rhyme well with the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". There are countless versions of christianity. Many are similar, but many are also very dissimilar. Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God, then why does the knowledge contained in each version differ so much? And if we take one step up in the christian tree, we'll also find the catholic and orthodox families. Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. There can't be some magic proof, can it? If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? What makes your proof valid? My point is that you can't know the whole truth, because there are others equally as convinced as you that they know the whole truth! Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. Christian Graus wrote: Yes, in the absence of a God, I'd probably be a Buddhist. They have a lot of good ideas. Yes they do. According to them, life is suffering, and all you can do is to try to relieve yourself from it. It may sound like a very pessimistic view of life, but when you read the "theory" behind it, it sort of makes sense. If you're interested, from a theological point of view of course, http://www.buddhanet.net[^] has great information. Christian Graus wrote: One is an opinion of the head, the other an opinion of the heart. That's what I thought too. Or, wait, did I believe it? :~ :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
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Christian Graus wrote: Did you want to turn this into a *serious* conversation ? I never back down from discussions (unless I really have to be doing something else ;)) It broadens ones mind. Christian Graus wrote: Christians *know*, because God has proven it. Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! There is no belief, only knowledge. And this just doesn't rhyme well with the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". There are countless versions of christianity. Many are similar, but many are also very dissimilar. Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God, then why does the knowledge contained in each version differ so much? And if we take one step up in the christian tree, we'll also find the catholic and orthodox families. Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. There can't be some magic proof, can it? If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? What makes your proof valid? My point is that you can't know the whole truth, because there are others equally as convinced as you that they know the whole truth! Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. Christian Graus wrote: Yes, in the absence of a God, I'd probably be a Buddhist. They have a lot of good ideas. Yes they do. According to them, life is suffering, and all you can do is to try to relieve yourself from it. It may sound like a very pessimistic view of life, but when you read the "theory" behind it, it sort of makes sense. If you're interested, from a theological point of view of course, http://www.buddhanet.net[^] has great information. Christian Graus wrote: One is an opinion of the head, the other an opinion of the heart. That's what I thought too. Or, wait, did I believe it? :~ :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
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I don't get this view on religion. What you describe is more a matter of ethnicity than religion. My grandmother on my mothers side was christian, thus according to this logic my mother must also have been a christian. Then I must also be a christian. But why is that? I don't consider myself christian. I've never admitted to christianity because it doesn't match my view of things. I can't be christian, but yet that is what others think. I just don't get this "religion by inheritance" logic... -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What you describe is more a matter of ethnicity than religion. i agree with what you're saying, but when you're talking about judaism, things are different. if your mother is jewish, so are you. it's an ethinic and a religious thing that is passed by mothers. somewhat like an automatic baptism, i guess. no, i'm not jewish (or anything, really). -c
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Christian Graus wrote: Did you want to turn this into a *serious* conversation ? I never back down from discussions (unless I really have to be doing something else ;)) It broadens ones mind. Christian Graus wrote: Christians *know*, because God has proven it. Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! There is no belief, only knowledge. And this just doesn't rhyme well with the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". There are countless versions of christianity. Many are similar, but many are also very dissimilar. Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God, then why does the knowledge contained in each version differ so much? And if we take one step up in the christian tree, we'll also find the catholic and orthodox families. Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. There can't be some magic proof, can it? If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? What makes your proof valid? My point is that you can't know the whole truth, because there are others equally as convinced as you that they know the whole truth! Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. Christian Graus wrote: Yes, in the absence of a God, I'd probably be a Buddhist. They have a lot of good ideas. Yes they do. According to them, life is suffering, and all you can do is to try to relieve yourself from it. It may sound like a very pessimistic view of life, but when you read the "theory" behind it, it sort of makes sense. If you're interested, from a theological point of view of course, http://www.buddhanet.net[^] has great information. Christian Graus wrote: One is an opinion of the head, the other an opinion of the heart. That's what I thought too. Or, wait, did I believe it? :~ :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I never back down from discussions Fair cop, it's just that my initial comment was just off the cuff, and I wasn't sure if you intended to make a comment which would elicit a more serious response. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! That depends. Do I know there is a God ? Yes. I think that I should modify my earlier definition: belief is a subset of knowledge. If I know something, I also believe it. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". ???? According to who ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There are countless versions of christianity. So most of them are by definition either wrong, or saying the same thing. Does that prove they are all wrong ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God Clearly, they are not. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. That's not a step, it's a leap. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There can't be some magic proof, can it? Why not ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? He doesn't. Most 'christians' will tell you there is no evidence of God at all, just shut up, don't ask questions, and ( sometimes ) keep shooting. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What makes your proof valid? What I believe the Bible says puts more of a burden of proof on God than what most people believe. That does not make me right, but it's easier to challenge belief in a God who offers rigidly defined evidence of Himself, than it is to prove that God does not exist to people who don't expect Him to do anything if He does. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. I don't believe there is one denomination which has exclusive access to the truth, but I do believe there is one form of religion which is Bible Christianity. It involves more than belief, it involves experience. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB devel
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You may have guessed, I am not one, but why do we say 'practicing Christian', or 'practicing Buddhist' ? Is it an admission that we're trying, but we haven't got the hang of it yet ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What you describe is more a matter of ethnicity than religion. i agree with what you're saying, but when you're talking about judaism, things are different. if your mother is jewish, so are you. it's an ethinic and a religious thing that is passed by mothers. somewhat like an automatic baptism, i guess. no, i'm not jewish (or anything, really). -c
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I never back down from discussions Fair cop, it's just that my initial comment was just off the cuff, and I wasn't sure if you intended to make a comment which would elicit a more serious response. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! That depends. Do I know there is a God ? Yes. I think that I should modify my earlier definition: belief is a subset of knowledge. If I know something, I also believe it. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". ???? According to who ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There are countless versions of christianity. So most of them are by definition either wrong, or saying the same thing. Does that prove they are all wrong ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God Clearly, they are not. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. That's not a step, it's a leap. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There can't be some magic proof, can it? Why not ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? He doesn't. Most 'christians' will tell you there is no evidence of God at all, just shut up, don't ask questions, and ( sometimes ) keep shooting. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What makes your proof valid? What I believe the Bible says puts more of a burden of proof on God than what most people believe. That does not make me right, but it's easier to challenge belief in a God who offers rigidly defined evidence of Himself, than it is to prove that God does not exist to people who don't expect Him to do anything if He does. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. I don't believe there is one denomination which has exclusive access to the truth, but I do believe there is one form of religion which is Bible Christianity. It involves more than belief, it involves experience. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB devel
"but I do believe there is one form of religion which is Bible Christianity. It involves more than belief, it involves experience. " Amen!
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Are there any practicing Buddisths here on CP? -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
I'm not really, but there are lots of the teachings which match my own thoughts on the world around me. Like most people, I tend to take the best bits from all faiths - just to help me get through the day ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
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Well, according to Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary, to practice means To do or perform frequently, customarily, or habitually; to make a practice of; as, to practice gaming. ``Incline not my heart . . . practice wicked works.'' But I think you could interpret the word practice as "trying to get the hang of it" as well. I don't believe anyone has fully gotten the hang of it. If you had, you'd know rather than believe. I think belief is important in religion, philosophy or whatever you label it. The moment you know it, is when you can say that everybody not believing what you know, are wrong. When people are wrong, you want to correct their errors. I think this is how fundamentalists work. They're so blinded by their knowledge that everything they once believed in is out the window. A way of life becomes controlling other peoples way of life. I've been reading a little about Buddhism tonight, and I must say that I can relate my thoughts to much of its philosophies. But I don't think I could ever practice it to 100%, mainly because I think I'm not capable of it. But perhaps if I score some karma in this life, maybe I'll do better in my next reincarnation.. ;) By the way, what is the semantic difference, if there is any, between thinking something and believing something. Think and believe are sometimes interchangeable. Compare for instance these two sentences; "I think earth is round" and "I believe earth is round". -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
reading your original question i thought you have the first praying-sw to sell (some buddhists use hw-based praying-mills (is it english correct?) what pray for them) ad: I can relate my thoughts to much of its philosophies yes, except unrealistic cases like "animals listening to buddha speach" they have interesting ideas (btw. do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect) t!
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reading your original question i thought you have the first praying-sw to sell (some buddhists use hw-based praying-mills (is it english correct?) what pray for them) ad: I can relate my thoughts to much of its philosophies yes, except unrealistic cases like "animals listening to buddha speach" they have interesting ideas (btw. do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect) t!
Tibor Blazko wrote: reading your original question i thought you have the first praying-sw to sell Hmm.. I wonder how big the market is for such a program..? (I've not gotten far on the 8 step path as my greed demonstrates.. ;)) Tibor Blazko wrote: do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect I know he left his old way of life, so I am not surprised by this fact. But I suspect that he realized himself that nobody is perfect. :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
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Tibor Blazko wrote: reading your original question i thought you have the first praying-sw to sell Hmm.. I wonder how big the market is for such a program..? (I've not gotten far on the 8 step path as my greed demonstrates.. ;)) Tibor Blazko wrote: do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect I know he left his old way of life, so I am not surprised by this fact. But I suspect that he realized himself that nobody is perfect. :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Tibor Blazko wrote: do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect I know he left his old way of life, so I am not surprised by this fact. But I suspect that he realized himself that nobody is perfect. From what I remember about Buddhism, all things are suffering. Even love is suffering. The solution is detachment. From my amateur interpretation, I think Buddha was trying to detach himself from the suffering associated with family life.
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Christian Graus wrote: but why do we say 'practicing Christian' because you can be born into a religion but not actually go through the motions. ie. if your mother is jewish, you're jewish, period - even though you might not actually have ever seen the inside of a temple. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: if your mother is jewish, you're jewish, period Silly me, thinking it was about faith....... :eek: The tigress is here :-D
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Are there any practicing Buddisths here on CP? -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
It says Buddhist on my registration forms .... One thing people usually get wrong about Buddhism, it isn't a religion. It's more of a way of life than anything. You can have your own religion, and still follow Buddhism!! But for convenience sake, I still put Buddhist when asked for my religion ;P Notorious SMC
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I never back down from discussions Fair cop, it's just that my initial comment was just off the cuff, and I wasn't sure if you intended to make a comment which would elicit a more serious response. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Then you can't claim that christians believe - they know! That depends. Do I know there is a God ? Yes. I think that I should modify my earlier definition: belief is a subset of knowledge. If I know something, I also believe it. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: the fact that there is no such thing as a "true christian". ???? According to who ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There are countless versions of christianity. So most of them are by definition either wrong, or saying the same thing. Does that prove they are all wrong ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Now, if all these versions of christianity are under the same, one and only God Clearly, they are not. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Another step up and you'll find judaism and islam. That's not a step, it's a leap. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: There can't be some magic proof, can it? Why not ? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If yes, then why did he give so many different proofs to different people? He doesn't. Most 'christians' will tell you there is no evidence of God at all, just shut up, don't ask questions, and ( sometimes ) keep shooting. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What makes your proof valid? What I believe the Bible says puts more of a burden of proof on God than what most people believe. That does not make me right, but it's easier to challenge belief in a God who offers rigidly defined evidence of Himself, than it is to prove that God does not exist to people who don't expect Him to do anything if He does. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Either one group of christians (or God-ians) must know the truth and the rest was lied to, or you have to settle with believing. I don't believe there is one denomination which has exclusive access to the truth, but I do believe there is one form of religion which is Bible Christianity. It involves more than belief, it involves experience. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB devel
Christian Graus wrote: Do I know there is a God ? Yes. Though I certainly don't doubt your knowledge about the existance of God, I'm curious to how this led you to be a christian. I believe you can find the same God through almost any religion or even without a religion, and as such no religion is the right one or the wrong one. Kevin
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Christian Graus wrote: but why do we say 'practicing Christian' because you can be born into a religion but not actually go through the motions. ie. if your mother is jewish, you're jewish, period - even though you might not actually have ever seen the inside of a temple. -c
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I think it's a hangover from the days when non-believers had to be seen to attend Church and so on. A "non-practicing Christian" isn't a Christian. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Tibor Blazko wrote: reading your original question i thought you have the first praying-sw to sell Hmm.. I wonder how big the market is for such a program..? (I've not gotten far on the 8 step path as my greed demonstrates.. ;)) Tibor Blazko wrote: do you know buddha left his wife and small child? nobody's perfect I know he left his old way of life, so I am not surprised by this fact. But I suspect that he realized himself that nobody is perfect. :) -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
I found this thread from about 6 months ago - searching for "Buddhism". Would you consider yourself a Buddhist? I recently arrived at Buddhism after a great deal of self-analysis. It turns out that it offers exactly what it is I'm looking for. Happiness mostly. If you do practice, did you have a teacher? J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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I found this thread from about 6 months ago - searching for "Buddhism". Would you consider yourself a Buddhist? I recently arrived at Buddhism after a great deal of self-analysis. It turns out that it offers exactly what it is I'm looking for. Happiness mostly. If you do practice, did you have a teacher? J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
Jamie Hale wrote: Would you consider yourself a Buddhist? I'm not sure I consider myself a buddhist. I'm not a practicing it in any formal way. I do like the messages found in buddhism, but I'm not sure I could ever live up to it. I'd rather not call me a buddhist because I know I could not live up to it. Perhaps I can call myself a buddhist someday when I've "grown up". :) Jamie Hale wrote: If you do practice, did you have a teacher? The internet is my teacher. Mostly http://www.buddhanet.net/[^] and other sites scattered over the internet. -- Counting the days in the haze around you Susanne let the ether fall Out of phase, I am all around you Susanne on the wall