How do you get your first job?
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Stephen, as pointless as it may be, I still recommend getting some degree. I won't hire someone without one. I will also confirm they graduated. You might be able to impress with pure talent, but it shows you have the commitment to see something through. I really wouldn't care if it took you 7 years just to get an Associates; I spent 6 years on my B.S. working alongside classes. I was 24 when I graduated, and it didn't really matter how old I was when I finished or how long it took me. Don't move before you get a job though.
wizardzz wrote:
I won't hire someone without one
So you wouldn't hire Bill Gates or Paul Allen or Larry Ellison? Quite myopic to preclude people simply on the basis that they didn't complete an education that you happen to approve of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Stephen Dycus wrote:
How do you get your first programming job?
Nepotism. Pure and simple. I was lucky enough to be friends with somebody who used to play golf with a guy called Peter Vardy who ran a car company called Reg Vardy's (at that stage, they were the largest independent car dealer in the UK). PV mentioned he was looking for someone to write software for them, and Des mentioned me. This was back in the 80s, and I was lucky enough to work from their Specialist Car Division (i.e. where the Ferrari, Aston Martin, Jags, etc, were sold). My office looked out onto a car lot that contained roughly £30M worth of cars.
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Wasn't he the driver in 'On The Buses'? :-)
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I've been programming since I was in middle school nine years (almost 10) ago. I've known since then that this was the career for me. The only problem is, I can't find my first job. It doesn't help that I'm in a small town with no programming jobs. I'm slowly working towards a degree but due to two bad years, I feel I'm falling behind. I'm 22... I should have graduated by now but I haven't even earned my associates degree. I don't know if I can make it through 3 more years of college. It's very tempting to save up some money and just move to a big city with lots of jobs (like Seattle) but I'd have no guarantee that I'd get a job. I'm so bored with my life. I want to earn a living programming. How do you get your first programming job? <.>
I didn't get my degree until I was 25. But from personal experience here in the UK I found that 99.9% of job adverts that I read require programmers to have a degree of some kind but preferably in a maths or computing background.
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Wasn't he the driver in 'On The Buses'? :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
That was Varney, and you didn't make that joke around PV. He didn't have much of a sense of humour.
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I've been programming since I was in middle school nine years (almost 10) ago. I've known since then that this was the career for me. The only problem is, I can't find my first job. It doesn't help that I'm in a small town with no programming jobs. I'm slowly working towards a degree but due to two bad years, I feel I'm falling behind. I'm 22... I should have graduated by now but I haven't even earned my associates degree. I don't know if I can make it through 3 more years of college. It's very tempting to save up some money and just move to a big city with lots of jobs (like Seattle) but I'd have no guarantee that I'd get a job. I'm so bored with my life. I want to earn a living programming. How do you get your first programming job? <.>
My first real job - as opposed to part time when I was at school, or industrial training periods while I was at University ("thin sandwich" course, six months college, six months industry, repeat for four years), was with the company I did my final industrial training with. They liked what I did during the six months so they offered me a job for when I left Uni. I ended up there for ten years, and 5 or 6 promotions, multiplying my original salary by about 8 by the time I left.
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wizardzz wrote:
I won't hire someone without one
So you wouldn't hire Bill Gates or Paul Allen or Larry Ellison? Quite myopic to preclude people simply on the basis that they didn't complete an education that you happen to approve of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
So you wouldn't hire Bill Gates or Paul Allen or Larry Ellison?
Who?
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wizardzz wrote:
I won't hire someone without one
So you wouldn't hire Bill Gates or Paul Allen or Larry Ellison? Quite myopic to preclude people simply on the basis that they didn't complete an education that you happen to approve of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
There are exceptions to every rule, except taxes and death. The point is, until Bill, Larry, or Paul made something of themself, they were no different than the guy with no college education.
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Stephen Dycus wrote:
I'm ready to grow up and move on to the next stage of my life
work your f'n ass off and do what needs to get done, even if you don't like it. Focusing on how boring your life is and how you feel pathetic is a great start in the wrong direction.
Stephen Dycus wrote:
Don't really understand why you quoted the rest.
Hmmm...
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I've been programming since I was in middle school nine years (almost 10) ago. I've known since then that this was the career for me. The only problem is, I can't find my first job. It doesn't help that I'm in a small town with no programming jobs. I'm slowly working towards a degree but due to two bad years, I feel I'm falling behind. I'm 22... I should have graduated by now but I haven't even earned my associates degree. I don't know if I can make it through 3 more years of college. It's very tempting to save up some money and just move to a big city with lots of jobs (like Seattle) but I'd have no guarantee that I'd get a job. I'm so bored with my life. I want to earn a living programming. How do you get your first programming job? <.>
My first IT interview went something along the lines of: "Can you start tomorrow?" "Yes" "Okay: you can work from home, I'll see that everything you need is delivered tomorrow." and I only went in on a Friday morning to get my time-sheet signed. Ah, happy days!
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I've been programming since I was in middle school nine years (almost 10) ago. I've known since then that this was the career for me. The only problem is, I can't find my first job. It doesn't help that I'm in a small town with no programming jobs. I'm slowly working towards a degree but due to two bad years, I feel I'm falling behind. I'm 22... I should have graduated by now but I haven't even earned my associates degree. I don't know if I can make it through 3 more years of college. It's very tempting to save up some money and just move to a big city with lots of jobs (like Seattle) but I'd have no guarantee that I'd get a job. I'm so bored with my life. I want to earn a living programming. How do you get your first programming job? <.>
My first job was federal work study for a teacher at my college my freshman year. My second was an internship over summer. My third was another internship. My first job out of college was for a startup; I forget how I came across them, but it may have been a job board (e.g., Monster). I should note that my first couple jobs paid only $8/hour and one of them was doing QA ( X| ). If I were you, I wouldn't be too picky at first. I've never landed a job in a remote city, so I can't give you any advice in that area.
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wizardzz wrote:
I won't hire someone without one
So you wouldn't hire Bill Gates or Paul Allen or Larry Ellison? Quite myopic to preclude people simply on the basis that they didn't complete an education that you happen to approve of.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Those are examples of people that left school to pursue their own companies. They wouldn't be applying for an entry level job. And if they did, they probably would not have been good employees. So yeah, I wouldn't hire someone without a degree that is expecting to walk into an entry level dev job, I'd assume they wouldn't last. Even Ellison, who worked odd jobs as a developer after dropping out, bounced around so much he would've been a bad hire.
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That was Varney, and you didn't make that joke around PV. He didn't have much of a sense of humour.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
That was Varney
Yes, I knew that: I was trying to be funny; plainly, failing miserably! :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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There are exceptions to every rule, except taxes and death. The point is, until Bill, Larry, or Paul made something of themself, they were no different than the guy with no college education.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous
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My first real job - as opposed to part time when I was at school, or industrial training periods while I was at University ("thin sandwich" course, six months college, six months industry, repeat for four years), was with the company I did my final industrial training with. They liked what I did during the six months so they offered me a job for when I left Uni. I ended up there for ten years, and 5 or 6 promotions, multiplying my original salary by about 8 by the time I left.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
That was Varney
Yes, I knew that: I was trying to be funny; plainly, failing miserably! :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
I figured you knew that - however, anyone outside the UK/inside the UK but too young to remember, would need extra guidance; hence my putting his name in, and saying that PV didn't have much of a sense of humour.
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My reply is that they would still not have made good employees. They wanted to create their own path, and probably would have made a bad entry level drone.
I understood your reply. It was Mark's that I was commenting on.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
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Sounds like a dream XD What kind of work did you do?
Embedded software for Visual Display Terminals. I left a couple of years after the PC came out - it was the right time as the terminal market died a death shortly after and the company folder a few years later. I can't claim any sort of foresight though - the company was moving offices and I didn't want to relocate. Took the redundancy money and had a very nice summer, thank you! :-D
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My first job was federal work study for a teacher at my college my freshman year. My second was an internship over summer. My third was another internship. My first job out of college was for a startup; I forget how I came across them, but it may have been a job board (e.g., Monster). I should note that my first couple jobs paid only $8/hour and one of them was doing QA ( X| ). If I were you, I wouldn't be too picky at first. I've never landed a job in a remote city, so I can't give you any advice in that area.
I'm not picky. I'd rather work $8 an hour programming than $8 an hour in retail. *shivers* Best Buy and Food Lion... two companies I'll never work for again...
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I'm not picky. I'd rather work $8 an hour programming than $8 an hour in retail. *shivers* Best Buy and Food Lion... two companies I'll never work for again...
No you wouldn't. $8 an hour retail means you get to go home at the end of your shift. You can switch off. $8 and hour programming means they own your butt - and will work you into the ground, because you like what they let you do. Paid overtime? Hah! 5 day weeks? But we need this for the end of the month!
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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I understood your reply. It was Mark's that I was commenting on.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous
