Serious Cloud Computing has Died forever in Europe
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
Not to mention CISPA. It would force cloud companies to share their data with other companies and the US government. And no formal charges are required.
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Not to mention CISPA. It would force cloud companies to share their data with other companies and the US government. And no formal charges are required.
Hi, I had never any intention of going 'cloud', but, this seals it! It is as far as I'm concerned, a NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER Option. GO Cloud: Offer All your Clients Data for Free Access to the American Security Services! Wherever you Live! :) :)
Bram van Kampen
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
Death is the best thing that can happen to Cloud Computing. Hope it happens in the US too!
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
Sadly, this is just a fact of life and is nothing new. A similar issue arose over SWIFT[^].
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Hi, Cloud computing was never my favorite functionality, but, US Leglislation has now put it beyond being a feasible option in Europe. As Follows:- “The Cloud” won a Big Brother Award in the communication category, with the panel of judges characterizing it as “a trend that deprives users of control over their own data.” Almost all cloud storage providers are American companies, they point out, and are therefore obliged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to allow US authorities access to all data, even if the server farms are situated on European soil. EFF hit on this point when we mentioned that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) “seems to be trying to placate international concern by saying one thing in international fora; but something quite different in the US courts … The DOJ's position in its court filings is that very little, if any, privacy protection is available against US government access to the records of users of US-based cloud computing services.” I can not possibly use Cloud based Computing for sensitive data, and comply with European Data Protection Acts, as long as the American Government agencies have access to servers in that way. The Crucial thing will be, wether or not the American Owned, european based providers will resist, and claim european jurisdiction when requests are filed. As it stands, the american law is almost certainly in violation of european privacy laws. A basic legal principle comes into play here. America has ultimately no right to pass laws that apply outside the american teretory! Passing a Law to snoop on Databases Owned by american companies, but held in say europe is a step too far.
Bram van Kampen
Surely the answer is to use a cloud hosting provider based outside the US? US law doesn't apply to European (or Asian, Australian etc) companies, but it does apply to the likes of Amazon, even if you are using a European server ... and as you point out, to use a US based company is likely to be illegal under EU data protection law. So use a non-US provider and let the free market do its thing.
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Death is the best thing that can happen to Cloud Computing. Hope it happens in the US too!
Well, Spread the word :)
Bram van Kampen
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Hi, Well I've always considered the whole concept of Cloud computing as a falacy! I will never partake in it! My Apps don't need it, I Don't posess a mobile phone, Nor have I a facebook account. So, I think I'm quite safe! :)
Bram van Kampen
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Surely the answer is to use a cloud hosting provider based outside the US? US law doesn't apply to European (or Asian, Australian etc) companies, but it does apply to the likes of Amazon, even if you are using a European server ... and as you point out, to use a US based company is likely to be illegal under EU data protection law. So use a non-US provider and let the free market do its thing.
Hi, There are not many European companies doing this. Those that do can be gobbled up by american companies. My advice is still: Don't Use it! Ignore It, Pile of Crap!! :)
Bram van Kampen