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  • L Lost User

    I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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    CPallini
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    Nope, but remember to confess it. :-D

    Veni, vidi, vici.

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      I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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      Slacker007
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      It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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      • L Lost User

        I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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        Lost User
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        India is the world's largest spammer, where there are no specific laws to control it. At least 85% of all email is spam.

        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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          It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

          "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
          "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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          Lost User
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          Slacker007 wrote:

          It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

          Tinned Spam is the only one deemed worthy of a Monty Python sketch.

          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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          • S Slacker007

            It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

            "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
            "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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            Lost User
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            Slacker007 wrote:

            physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam

            That's cos you can't tear the edge off an email to make a roach.

            Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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              It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

              "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
              "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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              Karl Sanford
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              This is because companies pay the postal service for the privilege of physical junk mail. I'm sure if governments could reliably assess a fee for email spam, they would be more than happy to make it legal and promote it.

              Be The Noise

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              • L Lost User

                Slacker007 wrote:

                physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam

                That's cos you can't tear the edge off an email to make a roach.

                Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                Slacker007
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                :-D

                "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                  It is interesting to me, that physical junk mail is not looked down upon as much as email spam...and no where as much as meat spam. :)

                  "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                  "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                  Corporal Agarn
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                  To me junk snail mail is worse as I have to dispose of it costing me money. I also get a weekly "bag" that goes directly to the recycle pile if dry or tossed if wet. (I really need to get a plastic container for recycled papers). For those who may not know, a "bag" is usually a plastic bag filled with various advertisements. It is delivered once a week to your door, if you live in town, or dropped at your mailbox, for rural delivery. When it rains they absorb water quite well as the paper is cheap.

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                    To me junk snail mail is worse as I have to dispose of it costing me money. I also get a weekly "bag" that goes directly to the recycle pile if dry or tossed if wet. (I really need to get a plastic container for recycled papers). For those who may not know, a "bag" is usually a plastic bag filled with various advertisements. It is delivered once a week to your door, if you live in town, or dropped at your mailbox, for rural delivery. When it rains they absorb water quite well as the paper is cheap.

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                    Slacker007
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                    I love that Bank of America sends me mail every month, trying to get me to come back. It costs them money and I recycle it. What a waste of paper and money.

                    "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                    "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                      I love that Bank of America sends me mail every month, trying to get me to come back. It costs them money and I recycle it. What a waste of paper and money.

                      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                      Lost User
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                      Whenever my dad gets junk mail with a pre-paid return envelope he puts the original envelope and everything that came in it into the reply envelope and posts it back to them, so they pay to get their own junk back.

                      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Whenever my dad gets junk mail with a pre-paid return envelope he puts the original envelope and everything that came in it into the reply envelope and posts it back to them, so they pay to get their own junk back.

                        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                        Slacker007
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                        ChrisElston wrote:

                        he puts the original envelope and everything that came in it into the reply envelope and posts it back to them,

                        Brilliant.

                        "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                        "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                        • L Lost User

                          I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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                          lewax00
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                          If I remember correctly it is, but there are certain requirements before it is legally considered spam, like it has to not contain an unsubscribe link, or it takes more than 10 days to get you off the mailing list, and there are probably a few others. Because of the requirements, the emails you get from most companies aren't spam, because they conform to the requirements (which is why I unsubscribe anytime I get such an email, because they do stop). But there is still plenty of real spam to go around, I like to browse through my spam looking for funny titles ("Big [male organ] like girl" is my favorite so far).

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                            If I remember correctly it is, but there are certain requirements before it is legally considered spam, like it has to not contain an unsubscribe link, or it takes more than 10 days to get you off the mailing list, and there are probably a few others. Because of the requirements, the emails you get from most companies aren't spam, because they conform to the requirements (which is why I unsubscribe anytime I get such an email, because they do stop). But there is still plenty of real spam to go around, I like to browse through my spam looking for funny titles ("Big [male organ] like girl" is my favorite so far).

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                            Lost User
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                            lewax00 wrote:

                            (which is why I unsubscribe anytime I get such an email, because they do stop).

                            Proper companies will unsubscribe you and the spam will stop. Dodgy companies will unsubscribe you and then sell your email address as a confirmed, live one. Even dodgier spammers will simply confirm your email address is live, continue sending you their crap, and sell on your email address to everyone they can think of.

                            Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                              I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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                              Michael Bergman
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                              Here is in the US, spamming, in and of itself, is not illegal. However, the contents may be. For instance, if fraud is involved. And while the spam has to provide a link for opting out of the spam, if you use that link, then they have your email address and can sell it off to 10+ spammers. Really, the only way to get rid of spammers is with a chair, some rope, a gallon of gasoline and a match like in the movie Reservoir Dogs[^]. The closest thing we have is a "Do Not Call" list for phones. Even that is a little spotty (though better than nothing).

                              m.bergman

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                              To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

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                                lewax00 wrote:

                                (which is why I unsubscribe anytime I get such an email, because they do stop).

                                Proper companies will unsubscribe you and the spam will stop. Dodgy companies will unsubscribe you and then sell your email address as a confirmed, live one. Even dodgier spammers will simply confirm your email address is live, continue sending you their crap, and sell on your email address to everyone they can think of.

                                Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                                lewax00
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                                The only ones to make it through the spam filter in the first place are in the first category luckily (as far as I can tell anyways).

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                                  Here is in the US, spamming, in and of itself, is not illegal. However, the contents may be. For instance, if fraud is involved. And while the spam has to provide a link for opting out of the spam, if you use that link, then they have your email address and can sell it off to 10+ spammers. Really, the only way to get rid of spammers is with a chair, some rope, a gallon of gasoline and a match like in the movie Reservoir Dogs[^]. The closest thing we have is a "Do Not Call" list for phones. Even that is a little spotty (though better than nothing).

                                  m.bergman

                                  For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                                  To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                                  In most cases the only difference between disappointment and depression is your level of commitment. -- Marc Maron

                                  I am not a chatbot

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                                  lewax00
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                                  Michael Bergman wrote:

                                  The closest thing we have is a "Do Not Call" list for phones.

                                  I forgot about that, and I just found out that it also applies to text messages and reported some spam I've been receiving that way :thumbsup:

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                                  • M Michael Bergman

                                    Here is in the US, spamming, in and of itself, is not illegal. However, the contents may be. For instance, if fraud is involved. And while the spam has to provide a link for opting out of the spam, if you use that link, then they have your email address and can sell it off to 10+ spammers. Really, the only way to get rid of spammers is with a chair, some rope, a gallon of gasoline and a match like in the movie Reservoir Dogs[^]. The closest thing we have is a "Do Not Call" list for phones. Even that is a little spotty (though better than nothing).

                                    m.bergman

                                    For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                                    To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                                    In most cases the only difference between disappointment and depression is your level of commitment. -- Marc Maron

                                    I am not a chatbot

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                                    SortaCore
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                                    Well, if you receive more than one email, you can sue for harassment...

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                                      ChrisElston wrote:

                                      he puts the original envelope and everything that came in it into the reply envelope and posts it back to them,

                                      Brilliant.

                                      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                                      daleofcourse
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                                      Gonna take a hit here... :~ Being a developer in the 'Direct Mail' world, it's worth it for companies to send out vast quantities of printed material because it's cheap and has around a 5% response rate depending on the product.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        I have a gmail account and get spam. Of course it goes into my spam box. Is spamming peoples email illegal ? Was just wondering . I thought it was .. UBX ...

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                                        Konstardiy from Tbilisi
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                                        I think it is illegal, because: 1) you did not agree to get emails from a concrete broadcaster, 2) you did not agree to get emails about a topic the spam message has. This looks like an imposed service. 3) it can contain false or frauded links, targeted to a infected site. 4) it can contain infected attachments. These activities are criminal, aren't? Also these activities breaks the email hostingor delivery services rules. Well... I feeling like i'm Captain Obviousity.

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                                          Gonna take a hit here... :~ Being a developer in the 'Direct Mail' world, it's worth it for companies to send out vast quantities of printed material because it's cheap and has around a 5% response rate depending on the product.

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                                          RugbyLeague
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                                          Count me in too - DM Developer here

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