New York City's Inconsistent Obesity Policy
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Yes, this is Mayor Bloomberg at his finest... In other words, he's in his last term and no longer cares if everyone hates him... How I regret voting for him last election... Yes, I was fooled, like so many others. So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary. If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country, simply because we drive less and walk more. If he wants to start another advertising campaign to ask people to cut down, that's just fine... But forcing places to stop serving large drinks? Ya know, I may not be a card-carrying Libertarian, but things like this definitely push me in that direction. And I don't know where you're getting the rest of your info, but the drug war is alive and well... And as foolish as ever (I've never touched the stuff, but I'm all for weed legalization)... I think Connecticut just did the medical legalization, but not NYC.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country
Not really[^] I think anything in that direction is good, even if people are resisting it. It's all fine and dandy when you KNOW what choices to make, and can afford them. At least this way people would have to buy more than one, and it would be obvious that you are getting more than what you are supposed to have. It'd be about like having two lunches at school. Sure you can buy the extra, but its pretty obvious.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary.
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
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It just takes a little longer for the stroke because they don't have the weight to content with too. :)
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Johnny J. wrote:
is to ban every drink
It would be nice if consumers themselves made healthy choices instead of gov't having to step in to force those choices on people lacking the intelligence or will or desire to moderate their own behaviors. Marc
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Not during the time they heart disease and diabetes, before they die. That can get very expensive.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country
Not really[^] I think anything in that direction is good, even if people are resisting it. It's all fine and dandy when you KNOW what choices to make, and can afford them. At least this way people would have to buy more than one, and it would be obvious that you are getting more than what you are supposed to have. It'd be about like having two lunches at school. Sure you can buy the extra, but its pretty obvious.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary.
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
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loctrice wrote:
Not really[^]
- Your link shows that New York STATE is already in the bottom half of the obesity chart (Bottom = Less obese), which supports what I said. 2) We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
loctrice wrote:
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
I agree that it would make a dent, but I think it's the wrong method... I just don't think the government should be MANDATING it. Start a program to encourage restaurants to go along with it... Give them "ratings" on how healthy they are, the way they already rate them for cleanliness... Educate the public... But it shouldn't be a law. I don't think eateries and movie theaters should be FORCED to limit the drink sizes.
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well, we would create more gang/mob power like prohibition. Overall though, it would actually still help. I think it'd be comical to have a mob centered around junk food and sugary drinks :D
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loctrice wrote:
Not really[^]
- Your link shows that New York STATE is already in the bottom half of the obesity chart (Bottom = Less obese), which supports what I said. 2) We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
loctrice wrote:
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
I agree that it would make a dent, but I think it's the wrong method... I just don't think the government should be MANDATING it. Start a program to encourage restaurants to go along with it... Give them "ratings" on how healthy they are, the way they already rate them for cleanliness... Educate the public... But it shouldn't be a law. I don't think eateries and movie theaters should be FORCED to limit the drink sizes.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
- We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
Population of New York State: ~19 million[^] Population of New York City: ~8 million[^] Since it makes up such a significant portion of the state's population, I doubt it can be far from the state's statistics.
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It's cheaper to buy soda than bottled water generally. Once you get the habbit, then soda is your choice. This means when you go out to eat, you'll end up with soda.
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Here is cheaper beer than "natural" water, so... cheers ;)
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According to the cdc[^], this guy is within a couple of pounds of being classified obese. ronnie-hillman[^]
Schenectady? What am I doing in Schenectady?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
- We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
Population of New York State: ~19 million[^] Population of New York City: ~8 million[^] Since it makes up such a significant portion of the state's population, I doubt it can be far from the state's statistics.
Think about that for a second... New York City: ~8 million people on ~300 square miles, or ~26,600 people per square mile Rest of New Yotk State (Excluding the city): ~11.5 million people on ~54,200 square miles, or ~210 people per square mile See the difference in population density? HUGE difference. We're talking one of the most densely-packed urban centers in the world, surrounded by a mixture of suburbs, smaller cities, and rural areas. It's so different from the rest of the state that there have been, in the past, efforts to separate them and make NYC its own state.
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New York city is banning sugary drinks[^] but is turning down the heat on smoking pot.[^] Given that pot smokers often suffer from "the munchies" these policies seem to be at odds with each other. My guess is when NYC gets even fatter they'll blame Doritos.
The ban on large drinks will only cause a doubling (or more) of orders for the smaller sizes - if I want 32oz, I'll just order 2 x 16oz :doh:
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Think about that for a second... New York City: ~8 million people on ~300 square miles, or ~26,600 people per square mile Rest of New Yotk State (Excluding the city): ~11.5 million people on ~54,200 square miles, or ~210 people per square mile See the difference in population density? HUGE difference. We're talking one of the most densely-packed urban centers in the world, surrounded by a mixture of suburbs, smaller cities, and rural areas. It's so different from the rest of the state that there have been, in the past, efforts to separate them and make NYC its own state.
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Sorry, I was mixing up arguments. My brain put it together as you saying the obesity stats for NY don't necessarily relate to the stats for NYC. I didn't sleep well last night and the allergy meds aren't improving the problem :doh:
No problem... All friends here :) That is kinda what I was saying, though... The two areas are so different that the statistics won't necessarily line up. Even though NYC is almost half the population of the state, city statistics and state ones may be wildly different.
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No problem... All friends here :) That is kinda what I was saying, though... The two areas are so different that the statistics won't necessarily line up. Even though NYC is almost half the population of the state, city statistics and state ones may be wildly different.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I'm not sure it's mathematically possible in this situation for them to be wildly different because of how heavy an influence NYC has on the statistics for the state as a whole. I wouldn't expect them to be perfectly representative either, but they would likely be fairly close.
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According to the cdc[^], this guy is within a couple of pounds of being classified obese. ronnie-hillman[^]
Schenectady? What am I doing in Schenectady?
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loctrice wrote:
Not really[^]
- Your link shows that New York STATE is already in the bottom half of the obesity chart (Bottom = Less obese), which supports what I said. 2) We're talking about New York CITY, not STATE. BIG difference.
loctrice wrote:
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
I agree that it would make a dent, but I think it's the wrong method... I just don't think the government should be MANDATING it. Start a program to encourage restaurants to go along with it... Give them "ratings" on how healthy they are, the way they already rate them for cleanliness... Educate the public... But it shouldn't be a law. I don't think eateries and movie theaters should be FORCED to limit the drink sizes.
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I'm not sure it's mathematically possible in this situation for them to be wildly different because of how heavy an influence NYC has on the statistics for the state as a whole. I wouldn't expect them to be perfectly representative either, but they would likely be fairly close.
Ok, maybe "wildly different" was hyperbole, but this link[^/a>] at the NY state website puts NYC at around 20-22% (vs 23%+ from the CDC site for the state in general)... Not as different as I expected, but still below the state average, which is already below the national average. Granted, statistics can be manipulated to say just about anything you want them to say, and 42.3% of statistics are made up on the spot, so who knows how accurate any of this is :)
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, NYC probably has a lower percentage of obese people than most of the rest of the country
Not really[^] I think anything in that direction is good, even if people are resisting it. It's all fine and dandy when you KNOW what choices to make, and can afford them. At least this way people would have to buy more than one, and it would be obvious that you are getting more than what you are supposed to have. It'd be about like having two lunches at school. Sure you can buy the extra, but its pretty obvious.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So, as someone who actually lives in NYC, I think this soda idea of his is completely stupid and unnecessary.
The first step is always necessary. It won't solve any problem no, but it could make a dent and/or start off in that direction. As someone coming from poor and ignorance, I think it's a good idea. No one is prohibiting sugary drinks, they are just making the size a concious thought. He explained why supermarkets and resturants are treated differently, and it makes sense. What you get at a resturaunt is for consuming in one sitting.
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loctrice wrote:
The first step is always necessary
So then obviously the following should be implemented. If you want to rent or buy property you must prove that you have been medically found fit. If you want a drivers license or regular id you must prove that you have been medically found fit. If you are stopped by the police and they ask for your id you must prove that you have been medically found fit.
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Similar to an obese person ordering large order of fries and a diet drink at McD's.
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