Microsoft Surface and Windows 8...Are you starting to learn to code for it?
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It's running Windows 8, and it has a mouse and keyboard. You don't have to do anything, it should be able to just run them. If you want to add touch centric features fine, but you don't even need to port it, it should run without any changes/recompilation/etc.
As I said, you are right. But that is not my point at all, the thing is that there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
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As I said, you are right. But that is not my point at all, the thing is that there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
there is no value proposition in offering regular apps on Surface.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You get a tablet, that can do everything a tablet can do. If you stop there, you're equal to the competition, neither better or worse off. But this tablet can also run desktop apps. That's something other tablets can't do. That's the selling point to try to go above and beyond the competition. It's not that you'd go out of your way to make a desktop application for it, it's that if you wrote a desktop application it would also happen to work on the tablet. And in fact for me, one of the most useful things I could think to do with it is use it with OneNote, a desktop application that would benefit from the touch screen (especially with the included pen).
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I'm excited to get the Surface. I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
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I'm excited to get the Surface. I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
chuckforest wrote:
I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
Yeah, there is the nerd pleasure of coding at the drop of a pin, ANY pin... :)
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I wonder who's going to be the first to break the Surface with bug reports. Think of the ripple effect it would cause. Would it start a wave of descent, and rock the very depth of the Microsoft Illuminati? Will anyone really give a carp, or will they just pier off into the distance, and mutter in a Reagan-esque tone, "Whale?!, that's a beach!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
I wonder who's going to be the first to break the Surface with bug reports. Think of the ripple effect it would cause. Would it start a wave of descent, and rock the very depth of the Microsoft Illuminati? Will anyone really give a carp, or will they just pier off into the distance, and mutter in a Reagan-esque tone, "Whale?!, that's a beach!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Then again maybe Microsoft will get sued by the EU antitrust people again.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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Then again maybe Microsoft will get sued by the EU antitrust people again.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I'm sure they've got a whole team of lawyers dedicated to antitrust suits by now... I'm guessing those attorneys have gotten quite a bit of practice over the last decade. :laugh:
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A man of few words...
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
Not planning on it any time soon. To be honest I'm pretty much fed up with the state of affairs in programming for mobile devices now, as soon as I can start re-using code between Apple/Android/Windows devices I might get interested again. Until that happens though I'm looking at HTML5 as the way forward simply because all of the devices have a web browser.
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
My clients are very conservative, they are still considering mobile applications. It is understandable, they need advanced versions only, cut-off ones are useless. I guess when the WinRT and WinRT+classic estimates are added, some will stop thinking and start ordering. Code reuse cuts costs and cut costs make wonders.
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I haven't started learning yet, as I'm still up to my ears converting from VB6/ASP to .NET 4.0. We have 2 tablet applications written in .NET Windows Forms that need updating. They are only used to collect data for upload into the web application, and should be thought of as disconnected modules rather than stand alone applications. With the anouncement of the MS Surface, I think we have a viable platform to use. We want to stay with .NET to share Business Layer code with the web application, and to ease the WCF calls. I'm sure it will take the Army Golden Master program awhile to adopt and provide a secure image of the Win 8 RT OS, so I expect I will have plenty of time to learn to program for Metro and to re-write the applications. I'm looking forward to providing the features my customers need on a platform that they want.
Bruce Clegg
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
Sadly Microsoft is becoming a bit of a spent force in the consumer area. Window 8 will be dead in corporate - due to the level o training required and then sheer lack of a sensible desktop experience. Microsoft has just stopped listening (think Windows 8 UI and VS) to real customers. Tomorrow I'm tasked with purchasing/kitting out our developers with Mac development kits. No-one is happy, but we have to survive and unlike Microsoft we listen to our customers! Should add not dropping Microsoft just relegating to second league development behind IOS
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
I think I'm going to sit this one out. My main job is maintaining a large enterprise application that will never run in "Metro". As for my own products, they're strictly desktop and I don't have plans to change that or my tool set for quite some time. What I can produce with VS2008 for the desktop will run on everything up-to-and-including Win8 desktop (already verified). There will be no lack of target for my code for the next 10 to 15 years so I'm just not going to worry about it. -CB
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I'm excited to get the Surface. I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet. Now I can code whilst dropping a deuce!
chuckforest wrote:
I've always wished I could run my IDE on my tablet.
Good luck with that (and with trying to put the cursor exactly after the variable you want to delete).
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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I think I'm going to sit this one out. My main job is maintaining a large enterprise application that will never run in "Metro". As for my own products, they're strictly desktop and I don't have plans to change that or my tool set for quite some time. What I can produce with VS2008 for the desktop will run on everything up-to-and-including Win8 desktop (already verified). There will be no lack of target for my code for the next 10 to 15 years so I'm just not going to worry about it. -CB
Like there are large COBOL MS-DOS enterprise applications that will never run in Windows. ;P Seriously, i believe that waiting until your applications will no longer run in any "modern" device to start to be worried, is like tying yourself a rope around your neck and wait that the tree at the other end of the rope grows...
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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I think that even though Microsoft Surface is a copycat of iPad in some ways, I think that Microsoft will still be here to stay because of their huge enterprise PC user base still has plenty of software written on the Microsoft stack and still needs maintaining. As developers, are we going to see Microsoft go bankrupt becuase it isn't cool anymore, or are you in the middle of developing your Windows 8 sample apps and such, in anticipation of snagging that super high paying job from the next client you come to who says they love Windows 8 and will pay you beaucoupx bux to develop them a snazzy new app? I predict that Microsoft simply has too huge an installed user base of Windows to go away anytime soon.
Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart
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Like there are large COBOL MS-DOS enterprise applications that will never run in Windows. ;P Seriously, i believe that waiting until your applications will no longer run in any "modern" device to start to be worried, is like tying yourself a rope around your neck and wait that the tree at the other end of the rope grows...
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
LOL! Let that tree grow baby ... I'll be retired by the time that rope even develops any tension! ;-) I guess after having been at this for 35 years+ I'm just getting to the point where I'm not as interested in chasing the "bleeding edge" as I used to be. The younger "kids" all want to have a hand in the latest and greatest stuff all the time. That's fine. As for myself I stay informed of the technology changes and, if necessary, I'll pick up a new tool when the situation warrants. However right now I'm finding that I have plenty to do. There is always going to be plenty to do in this field. Some of those old COBOL guys make $200K just because they're willing to work on slightly less "glorious" stuff. -CB :-)
