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  • W wizardzz

    lewax00 wrote:

    I mean seriously, art history? That qualifies you for what, a job in an art museum? And how many positions are available, even globally, for that? I can't see it being more than thousands, maybe a few tens of thousands, and considering art history seems to be one of those default degrees (along with English and psychology) that people get when they're too lazy or inept to do something like science or engineering, there's a lot of competition for a job related to the degree.

    Then who would teach all the art history majors?

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    :laugh: It's like self-perpetuating failure...

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      I've seen articles like this one[^] probably about once a month for the past year or two, and since I'm in college I can't help but skim through, but I've noticed a trend. Each article usually focuses on a few specific people as examples of the "growing trend", and every single one of them has a degree in something useless (the one linked above got "a degree in journalism and art history"). I think we need to stop telling people "if you go to college you'll get a good job and make lots of money" and start putting emphasis on the fact that this only works if the degree is a) useful to society/businesses and b) difficult enough that the market for it isn't saturated. I mean seriously, art history? That qualifies you for what, a job in an art museum? And how many positions are available, even globally, for that? I can't see it being more than thousands, maybe a few tens of thousands, and considering art history seems to be one of those default degrees (along with English and psychology) that people get when they're too lazy or inept to do something like science or engineering, there's a lot of competition for a job related to the degree. (To paraphrase my room mate, "My cousin got a degree in art history, do you know how she supports herself? She married an engineer.") And then of course, these people assume because they "went to college" that they are now too high and mighty for the jobs they're actually qualified for (i.e. the same ones they were qualified for 4 years earlier, when they graduated high school), so they don't get a job until they finally realized they wasted 4 years of their life and tens of thousands of dollars (of money that was probably their parents), and give in to reality, and pick up a spatula at the local fast food place. I just needed to get that off my chest. It really irritates me (but then again, it fits with what many people, including myself, say about my generation: we're a bunch of self-entitled brats).

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      Most of the people in College should not be there. 99% of the people in Grad School should not be there.

      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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        I actually had a nightmare last night in which I was living back home with my mom and there were a bunch of spiders hanging from the ceiling. The spiders were not the most terrifying aspect. I'd be more likely to end up on the street offering to "code" HTML for food.

        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Next week I'll be moving back in with Mum & Dad... ... for as long as it takes to find a place for the family.

        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          Most of the people in College should not be there. 99% of the people in Grad School should not be there.

          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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          wizardzz
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          Amen. Most people I know in grad school or law school seem to have had a misconception of what life would be like after graduating the first time. Oh well, they'll realize money isn't free again in a few years. All my friends with good decent majors and realistic expectations have sworn off grad school. I still can't believe so many fools think MBA = 6 figure salary. :doh:

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          • W wizardzz

            Amen. Most people I know in grad school or law school seem to have had a misconception of what life would be like after graduating the first time. Oh well, they'll realize money isn't free again in a few years. All my friends with good decent majors and realistic expectations have sworn off grad school. I still can't believe so many fools think MBA = 6 figure salary. :doh:

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            wizardzz wrote:

            I still can't believe so many fools think MBA = 6 figure salary

            It does. You just need to include the leading zeroes.

            No dogs or cats are in the classroom. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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            • W wizardzz

              Amen. Most people I know in grad school or law school seem to have had a misconception of what life would be like after graduating the first time. Oh well, they'll realize money isn't free again in a few years. All my friends with good decent majors and realistic expectations have sworn off grad school. I still can't believe so many fools think MBA = 6 figure salary. :doh:

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              lewax00
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              I'm going to grad school for personal reasons (all the cool classes are grad level) instead of professional reasons, and because if I do it now I only have to pay for one additional year because I can double count some of my classes. Though, from what I hear a certain large company likes to pick up grads from our Master's program with 6 figure starting salaries. If one extra year brings be from 70k (the average for a BS from my college) to 100k I've got no complaints. :-D

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                I actually had a nightmare last night in which I was living back home with my mom and there were a bunch of spiders hanging from the ceiling. The spiders were not the most terrifying aspect. I'd be more likely to end up on the street offering to "code" HTML for food.

                Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                Thats all right your parent probably have the same nightmare about returning horrors children.

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  Most of the people in College should not be there. 99% of the people in Grad School should not be there.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                  Vivi Chellappa
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                  Extending that proposition -- and based on my experience -- 99% of coders shouldn't be doing programming.

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                  • L lewax00

                    I'm going to grad school for personal reasons (all the cool classes are grad level) instead of professional reasons, and because if I do it now I only have to pay for one additional year because I can double count some of my classes. Though, from what I hear a certain large company likes to pick up grads from our Master's program with 6 figure starting salaries. If one extra year brings be from 70k (the average for a BS from my college) to 100k I've got no complaints. :-D

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                    wizardzz
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                    Out of curiosity is the Master's program you are talking about an MBA or MS/Engineering?

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                    • W wizardzz

                      Out of curiosity is the Master's program you are talking about an MBA or MS/Engineering?

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                      lewax00
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                      It's an MS in "Mathematics and Computer Science" (which honestly, is a terrible name, as there are exactly 0 math classes in the program).

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                      • L lewax00

                        It's an MS in "Mathematics and Computer Science" (which honestly, is a terrible name, as there are exactly 0 math classes in the program).

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                        wizardzz
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                        Yeah, I was referring to MBA's in the original post you reply to. I don't doubt some MS programs do get hired for at that rate. What I meant was that I see a lot of acquaintances get frustrated at their job prospects and go back for an MBA (at any old college) expecting to earn 6 figures out the door. Very few programs are like this, Ivy League and perhaps NU come to mind for MBA earnings. Where do you go btw, if you don't mind? I think I remember Purdue?

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                        • W wizardzz

                          Yeah, I was referring to MBA's in the original post you reply to. I don't doubt some MS programs do get hired for at that rate. What I meant was that I see a lot of acquaintances get frustrated at their job prospects and go back for an MBA (at any old college) expecting to earn 6 figures out the door. Very few programs are like this, Ivy League and perhaps NU come to mind for MBA earnings. Where do you go btw, if you don't mind? I think I remember Purdue?

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                          lewax00
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                          Colorado School of Mines :-D We don't offer MBAs though (the closest we have is a BS in "Economics and Business", and honestly we only even have that to meet some requirement that we have a liberal arts degree...), so I can't compare that program directly. Though do we have some business related masters program that keeps trying to recruit me, but I'm not interested to look into it. (I'm "officially" minoring in Economics and Business, but I'm dropping it due to the fact I realized it's just not a good fit for me, might get an ASI in Robotics instead because...well why the hell not.)

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                          • L lewax00

                            I've seen articles like this one[^] probably about once a month for the past year or two, and since I'm in college I can't help but skim through, but I've noticed a trend. Each article usually focuses on a few specific people as examples of the "growing trend", and every single one of them has a degree in something useless (the one linked above got "a degree in journalism and art history"). I think we need to stop telling people "if you go to college you'll get a good job and make lots of money" and start putting emphasis on the fact that this only works if the degree is a) useful to society/businesses and b) difficult enough that the market for it isn't saturated. I mean seriously, art history? That qualifies you for what, a job in an art museum? And how many positions are available, even globally, for that? I can't see it being more than thousands, maybe a few tens of thousands, and considering art history seems to be one of those default degrees (along with English and psychology) that people get when they're too lazy or inept to do something like science or engineering, there's a lot of competition for a job related to the degree. (To paraphrase my room mate, "My cousin got a degree in art history, do you know how she supports herself? She married an engineer.") And then of course, these people assume because they "went to college" that they are now too high and mighty for the jobs they're actually qualified for (i.e. the same ones they were qualified for 4 years earlier, when they graduated high school), so they don't get a job until they finally realized they wasted 4 years of their life and tens of thousands of dollars (of money that was probably their parents), and give in to reality, and pick up a spatula at the local fast food place. I just needed to get that off my chest. It really irritates me (but then again, it fits with what many people, including myself, say about my generation: we're a bunch of self-entitled brats).

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                            Some people study Art History because they happen to like Art History. Science and Engineering are not the only parts of human life, and the world would be a pretty annoying place if there wasn't anyone doing anything else. - Arthur Souza http://en.lotusrpg.com.br

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                              Some people study Art History because they happen to like Art History. Science and Engineering are not the only parts of human life, and the world would be a pretty annoying place if there wasn't anyone doing anything else. - Arthur Souza http://en.lotusrpg.com.br

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                              lewax00
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                              Arthur F Souza wrote:

                              Some people study Art History because they happen to like Art History.

                              That's fine. The problem I have is that many of them have unrealistic expectations that just because it's a college degree it will get them a job. And that's what so many of these articles are about, how all these college graduates can't find jobs, even though they always focus on degrees that don't lend themselves well to jobs.

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