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Neutrons escaping to a parallel world?

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  • C Chris Maunder

    PhysOrg:

    the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles.

    http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html[^] <Neo>Whoa...</Neo>

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    Fascinating.

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    • C Chris Maunder

      PhysOrg:

      the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles.

      http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html[^] <Neo>Whoa...</Neo>

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Bassam Abdul Baki
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      Seriously, science has to start coming up with more concrete answers than "since we can't explain it, it must exist elsewhere", otherwise, it's no different than theology.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        PhysOrg:

        the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles.

        http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html[^] <Neo>Whoa...</Neo>

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        Lost User
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        we should start putting together a "Fringe" division... just to be ready..

        Leonardo Paneque

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        • C Chris Maunder

          PhysOrg:

          the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles.

          http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html[^] <Neo>Whoa...</Neo>

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          Gary Wheeler
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          If you were talking about Keanu Reeves the actor, I would think you were discussing neurons escaping to a parallel world...

          Software Zen: delete this;

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            If you were talking about Keanu Reeves the actor, I would think you were discussing neurons escaping to a parallel world...

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            Chris Maunder
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            boom *tish*

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            • B Brisingr Aerowing

              Link to source?

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              Steve Mayfield
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              Looks like the link re-appeared after visiting the parallel world ;)

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              • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                Seriously, science has to start coming up with more concrete answers than "since we can't explain it, it must exist elsewhere", otherwise, it's no different than theology.

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                Gregory Gadow
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                It oscillates between being there and not being there. At least the scientists aren't claiming "Goddidit!"

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                • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                  Seriously, science has to start coming up with more concrete answers than "since we can't explain it, it must exist elsewhere", otherwise, it's no different than theology.

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                  Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                  it's no different than theology

                  Usually science formulates a theory and then there's a lot of energy spent trying to prove/disprove such theory. The fact that a theory is formulated does not necessarily mean it's the truth.

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                    we should start putting together a "Fringe" division... just to be ready..

                    Leonardo Paneque

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                    I'll get the LSD.

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                    • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                      Seriously, science has to start coming up with more concrete answers than "since we can't explain it, it must exist elsewhere", otherwise, it's no different than theology.

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                      lewax00
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                      How so? In science, if the current explanation is wrong, adjustments are made to try and correct it. In theology, if something is wrong, it magically isn't because some guy thousands of years ago/a book/some old guy with a title/etc said so. Parallel universes have not been proved to exist or not exist, so they are still a possibility, even if they sound crazy.

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                      • A A Orozco

                        Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                        it's no different than theology

                        Usually science formulates a theory and then there's a lot of energy spent trying to prove/disprove such theory. The fact that a theory is formulated does not necessarily mean it's the truth.

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                        Bassam Abdul Baki
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                        I agree. However, using other universes to explain that which we cannot comprehend seems like a cop-out. By that definition, so is religion. People are just waiting on the proof of their faith, which in theory they won't see until after they die and thus cannot be proven to those on the other side of the (living) universe.

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                        • G Gregory Gadow

                          It oscillates between being there and not being there. At least the scientists aren't claiming "Goddidit!"

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                          Bassam Abdul Baki
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                          But they accept the fact that there exists a parallel universe without ever actually seeing one. That to me sounds like faith.

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                            How so? In science, if the current explanation is wrong, adjustments are made to try and correct it. In theology, if something is wrong, it magically isn't because some guy thousands of years ago/a book/some old guy with a title/etc said so. Parallel universes have not been proved to exist or not exist, so they are still a possibility, even if they sound crazy.

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                            Bassam Abdul Baki
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                            lewax00 wrote:

                            Parallel universes have not been proved to exist or not exist, so they are still a possibility, even if they sound crazy.

                            Every religious person who believes in a higher being falls under this category, whether they like to believe so or not. The only difference between science and religion in this regard is that we take it as "fact" what the wise men say because they are "learned", whereas we take it as bullshit what the religious say because they are "ignorant". Science is ever changing, I agree. Unfortunately, religion is about the end game and that cannot be proven, IMHO, when it is infinitely far away. Religion will always be more about the why, whereas science is more about the how. I do not see them as opposites.

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                              I'll get the LSD.

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                              Lost User
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                              I will get the redhead :) both of them, if you dont mind..

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                PhysOrg:

                                the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles.

                                http://phys.org/news/2012-06-neutrons-parallel-world.html[^] <Neo>Whoa...</Neo>

                                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                Mike Hankey
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                                Ah now I understand how some people I know can slip in and out of stupid so effortlessly.

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                                • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                  lewax00 wrote:

                                  Parallel universes have not been proved to exist or not exist, so they are still a possibility, even if they sound crazy.

                                  Every religious person who believes in a higher being falls under this category, whether they like to believe so or not. The only difference between science and religion in this regard is that we take it as "fact" what the wise men say because they are "learned", whereas we take it as bullshit what the religious say because they are "ignorant". Science is ever changing, I agree. Unfortunately, religion is about the end game and that cannot be proven, IMHO, when it is infinitely far away. Religion will always be more about the why, whereas science is more about the how. I do not see them as opposites.

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                                  Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                  The only difference between science and religion in this regard is that we take it as "fact" what the wise men say because they are "learned", whereas we take it as bullsh*t what the religious say because they are "ignorant".

                                  No, we take it as fact when they prove they are correct. Religion has no proof (hence the need for "faith"). Also, no one is taking neutrons escaping onto parallel universes as fact yet. Right in the introduction it says "hypothesis". That means it is an idea that has yet to be proven or disproven.

                                  Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                  Religion will always be more about the why, whereas science is more about the how. I do not see them as opposites.

                                  Unfortunately, not every one sees it that way. For example, people who refuse to believe the Earth is billions of years old, regardless of evidence presented, because their religion doesn't agree. And it will always be the weirdos who stand out and give the rest of a bad name (in anything, religion or otherwise).

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                                    Ah now I understand how some people I know can slip in and out of stupid so effortlessly.

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                                    Mike Hankey wrote:

                                    slip in and out of stupid

                                    You talking about the ex again Mike? :-O

                                    It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                      Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                      The only difference between science and religion in this regard is that we take it as "fact" what the wise men say because they are "learned", whereas we take it as bullsh*t what the religious say because they are "ignorant".

                                      No, we take it as fact when they prove they are correct. Religion has no proof (hence the need for "faith"). Also, no one is taking neutrons escaping onto parallel universes as fact yet. Right in the introduction it says "hypothesis". That means it is an idea that has yet to be proven or disproven.

                                      Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                      Religion will always be more about the why, whereas science is more about the how. I do not see them as opposites.

                                      Unfortunately, not every one sees it that way. For example, people who refuse to believe the Earth is billions of years old, regardless of evidence presented, because their religion doesn't agree. And it will always be the weirdos who stand out and give the rest of a bad name (in anything, religion or otherwise).

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                                      lewax00 wrote:

                                      Also, no one is taking neutrons escaping onto parallel universes as fact yet. Right in the introduction it says "hypothesis". That means it is an idea that has yet to be proven or disproven.

                                      I stand corrected. However, I anxiously wait for the proof of the parallel universe so that I may communicate with my other self.

                                      lewax00 wrote:

                                      Unfortunately, not every one sees it that way. For example, people who refuse to believe the Earth is billions of years old, regardless of evidence presented, because their religion doesn't agree. And it will always be the weirdos who stand out and give the rest of a bad name (in anything, religion or otherwise).

                                      I agree. However, in their defense, the age of the earth continues to change by a few billion years each time. I think astr[physics/onomy] should set up a disclaimer saying everything is subject to change at any time.

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                                        Mike Hankey wrote:

                                        slip in and out of stupid

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                                        Mike Hankey
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                                        Been watching a lot of Perry Mason lately and am learning not to say anything that would incriminate myself therefore I can say "maybe"!

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                                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                          lewax00 wrote:

                                          Also, no one is taking neutrons escaping onto parallel universes as fact yet. Right in the introduction it says "hypothesis". That means it is an idea that has yet to be proven or disproven.

                                          I stand corrected. However, I anxiously wait for the proof of the parallel universe so that I may communicate with my other self.

                                          lewax00 wrote:

                                          Unfortunately, not every one sees it that way. For example, people who refuse to believe the Earth is billions of years old, regardless of evidence presented, because their religion doesn't agree. And it will always be the weirdos who stand out and give the rest of a bad name (in anything, religion or otherwise).

                                          I agree. However, in their defense, the age of the earth continues to change by a few billion years each time. I think astr[physics/onomy] should set up a disclaimer saying everything is subject to change at any time.

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                                          Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                          However, in their defense, the age of the earth continues to change by a few billion years each time.

                                          Not recently. No adjustments out of the millions have been made in the estimate (this word is important) of the Earth's in the past 50 years at least. A few million is nothing when you're looking on the scale of billions (would you complain of a change of 1 or 2 on an estimate in the thousands? I doubt it.). And the adjustments are made because new information is discovered and incorporated into the estimation methods. Leaving the estimate the same when new information comes along would be pretty stupid honestly.

                                          Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                          I think astr[physics/onomy] should set up a disclaimer saying everything is subject to change at any time.

                                          I guess they just make the assumption the disclaimer isn't necessary, science is the pursuit of truth (not the facts generated by the pursuit!), and as such adjustments are made as new pieces of the truth are found. If I told you I had a pet that was grey, and you guessed it was a mouse, but then I told you it had a trunk, would you continue to think it's a mouse, or would you guess it was something different, like an elephant? You don't hold on to information you know is wrong. That's just common sense.

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