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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
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To thine own self be true. Shakespeare
Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa
this === this
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
Not a hard decision. Being a programmer is, and will always be, an ongoing education. Plan your work (or goal), and work your plan. If you commit to being great at what you do, the experience and salary will come as a by-product.
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
Midnight Ahri wrote:
i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked.
the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me.
wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double.
if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him.
what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him.
this is a chance that everybody wants.This part to me sounds like you are going to head off to a MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) company... Of course, you might not be, but that's what it sounds like to me. Is the company you are considering going to legitimate? Is it a real (salaried) position?
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
I'll support Damian's answer - this sounds like a scam. I'm a lot older than most here, and I've seen a bunch of cons, so I can say with confidence that this stinks of fraud. Get it in writing before you lift a finger for this guy, then still be cautious. If a man's word is worthless, his contract is equally without value, but you have to take some chances in life. I wouldn't touch this "offer" with someone else's stick, but you've got to make your own choices and learn your own hard lessons. Good luck, and don't give up on programming!
Will Rogers never met me.
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I'll support Damian's answer - this sounds like a scam. I'm a lot older than most here, and I've seen a bunch of cons, so I can say with confidence that this stinks of fraud. Get it in writing before you lift a finger for this guy, then still be cautious. If a man's word is worthless, his contract is equally without value, but you have to take some chances in life. I wouldn't touch this "offer" with someone else's stick, but you've got to make your own choices and learn your own hard lessons. Good luck, and don't give up on programming!
Will Rogers never met me.
he is the type of director that sincerely raise his employee epicly. he's brother of my auntie. a lot of people became director because of him. why? before he became director, he's treated like this, raised by his director. and now he is ten times better than his director. how he raise employee? if A is useful after working a few years for him, he'll find an opportunity, build a new company, apply A as a director and the revenue is divided by half. that's what happened to my cousin. but don't think he'll make it easy for me, just by talking with him, i'm 100% sure that he won't raise me like other if i'm useless. yes i believe he is a great man, it's just hard to let go my hobby and interest for a better chance and future. programming is rooted in me, it's hard to let go like this. most of my family don't believe that selling application, games, and program can make me happy one day. but after reading all of the reply, i think i won't stop waiting for windows phone 8 even if i work for him, i believe i can. thank you very much guys, once again thank you. :laugh:
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he is the type of director that sincerely raise his employee epicly. he's brother of my auntie. a lot of people became director because of him. why? before he became director, he's treated like this, raised by his director. and now he is ten times better than his director. how he raise employee? if A is useful after working a few years for him, he'll find an opportunity, build a new company, apply A as a director and the revenue is divided by half. that's what happened to my cousin. but don't think he'll make it easy for me, just by talking with him, i'm 100% sure that he won't raise me like other if i'm useless. yes i believe he is a great man, it's just hard to let go my hobby and interest for a better chance and future. programming is rooted in me, it's hard to let go like this. most of my family don't believe that selling application, games, and program can make me happy one day. but after reading all of the reply, i think i won't stop waiting for windows phone 8 even if i work for him, i believe i can. thank you very much guys, once again thank you. :laugh:
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Midnight Ahri wrote:
he's brother of my auntie.
Yes I prefer that to uncle, also the father of my cousin and the son of my grandfather.
Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa
i don't care who is he, i care of what my job is. as long as i'm not working as a clown, thank you.
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he is the type of director that sincerely raise his employee epicly. he's brother of my auntie. a lot of people became director because of him. why? before he became director, he's treated like this, raised by his director. and now he is ten times better than his director. how he raise employee? if A is useful after working a few years for him, he'll find an opportunity, build a new company, apply A as a director and the revenue is divided by half. that's what happened to my cousin. but don't think he'll make it easy for me, just by talking with him, i'm 100% sure that he won't raise me like other if i'm useless. yes i believe he is a great man, it's just hard to let go my hobby and interest for a better chance and future. programming is rooted in me, it's hard to let go like this. most of my family don't believe that selling application, games, and program can make me happy one day. but after reading all of the reply, i think i won't stop waiting for windows phone 8 even if i work for him, i believe i can. thank you very much guys, once again thank you. :laugh:
Well then, if you trust him, go for it; it's hard to live on breadcrusts and hope. But there's no reason to give up programming. It doesn't take an office or an employer, though working full time will take a big bite out of the time you have to apply to it. Carry on... :)
Will Rogers never met me.
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Well then, if you trust him, go for it; it's hard to live on breadcrusts and hope. But there's no reason to give up programming. It doesn't take an office or an employer, though working full time will take a big bite out of the time you have to apply to it. Carry on... :)
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
Well then, if you trust him, go for it; it's hard to live on breadcrusts and hope. But there's no reason to give up programming. It doesn't take an office or an employer, though working full time will take a big bite out of the time you have to apply to it. Carry on... :)
yes you are right, moreover it's our hobby. i feel much better, thank you. ;)
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
Lesson 1: Incorrect capitalisation can result in loss of connections and program failures.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Midnight Ahri wrote:
he's brother of my auntie.
Yes I prefer that to uncle, also the father of my cousin and the son of my grandfather.
Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa
So do I, it's technically more descriptive. Your aunt the sister of your mother or father, and your uncle their brother. The spouse of your aunt or uncle isn't truly, implicitly an aunt or uncle of you, except in some weird families.
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Lesson 1: Incorrect capitalisation can result in loss of connections and program failures.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Lesson 1:
Incorrect capitalisation can result in loss of connections and program failures.Lesson 2: Queries and comments ignore letter cases.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Lesson 1:
Incorrect capitalisation can result in loss of connections and program failures.Lesson 2: Queries and comments ignore letter cases.
Lesson 3: There are always at least five ways to do anything, and each of them is the only way to do it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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he is the type of director that sincerely raise his employee epicly. he's brother of my auntie. a lot of people became director because of him. why? before he became director, he's treated like this, raised by his director. and now he is ten times better than his director. how he raise employee? if A is useful after working a few years for him, he'll find an opportunity, build a new company, apply A as a director and the revenue is divided by half. that's what happened to my cousin. but don't think he'll make it easy for me, just by talking with him, i'm 100% sure that he won't raise me like other if i'm useless. yes i believe he is a great man, it's just hard to let go my hobby and interest for a better chance and future. programming is rooted in me, it's hard to let go like this. most of my family don't believe that selling application, games, and program can make me happy one day. but after reading all of the reply, i think i won't stop waiting for windows phone 8 even if i work for him, i believe i can. thank you very much guys, once again thank you. :laugh:
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
Midnight Ahri wrote:
what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him.
this is a chance that everybody wants.Presuming this isn't a pyramid type structure, it still sounds like some sort of 'selling'. That is quite bit a different than programming.
Midnight Ahri wrote:
planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home.
Presuming the other job doesn't consume 80+ hours a week (for that 'double' money) then why would not both work together?
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i'm working as database and corporate application programmer. a huge ambition that i must success in IT. to motivate myself that success is possible, i'm waiting for windows phone 8. planning to write and sell application in wp marketplace as my side earnings at home. i'm not sure this way lead me to a brighter future, but i'm walking towards it right now. problem starts, at first, i'm working for experience, not money. but after a year, i realize that i can't keep depending on experience, most people work for money. i search for a better company and better prospect, and when i found one, i'm shocked. the director said that they don't need a programmer, but there's always a place for me. wages is not a problem anymore since they offer double. if i'm useful, one day i will co-operate with him, not working for him. what he said is true, a lot of people success and now co-operate with him. this is a chance that everybody wants. i love IT, it's like i'm proud of being a programmer. admired by a lot of friends. feeling like unique. read an interesting news about new gadget. being the first to use it. but i have to leave it all, and learn business from zero. i'm confused and sad. if you were me, what will you do? sorry for long post, but i love to browse code project and that's why i'm posting this here. thank you, Ahri
Hi Ahri, While no one but you can, ultimately, decide what is of true value (short-term, and long-term) at this point in your life, in my humble opinion there's a little more information needed here about your current situation, and the future prospect 1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ? 2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated. 3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point. Say a little more, and I think you'll get some interesting feedback. good luck, Bill
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Hi Ahri, While no one but you can, ultimately, decide what is of true value (short-term, and long-term) at this point in your life, in my humble opinion there's a little more information needed here about your current situation, and the future prospect 1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ? 2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated. 3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point. Say a little more, and I think you'll get some interesting feedback. good luck, Bill
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BillWoodruff wrote:
1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ?
2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated.
3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point.Hi Bill, thank you for replying and sorry for my late reply. 1. I work here as a programmer and writing every application they asked. What I gain from here is only coding experience and wages. No bonuses and other. Moreover, I code using Vb.Net. When I change into C#, the company didn't agree, they said that the other programmer don't undestand it. 2. I don't even know what position I'll be placed, but I know the director will train and evaluate everything, my attitude, how I solve problem, loyalty, and other. Simple explanation, he's going to judge whether I deserve to be a director or not. 3. If i take the new position, I'll work and learn everything until I finish my college. It's about 2 years. After that, he will send me outside town and manage his company, he had a lot of company. And if he thinks I deserve it all, I'm not working with him anymore. He'll open a new business for me, and I only take half from income. Sweet? I realized writing application and sell it won't make me success hardly, there are too many games company with hundreds or maybe thousands programmer and designer. Me and my friend? 2 programmer and 1 designer. What we can produce might lose in quantity and quality, but I won't give up on this. I think I'd better resign now, accept the new job and keep writing application (out-sourcing). What do you think about it? :laugh:
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BillWoodruff wrote:
1. does your current paid position leave you enough time open to train yourself in specific technical areas that are probably going to be "marketable" in the future, or leave you with enough time to really pursue creating some specific prototype of an application on a specific platform ?
2. does the non-programming position offered pay you a salary every month independently of whether you sell anything, or recruit other people to work for you who you then receive a commission from when they sell something ? This is the "MLM question," re-stated.
3. for how long a period of time, if you take the new position, will you be so occupied in learning how to do whatever is required to perform and "get up to speed," that you will have no time for technical learning outside the job ? Is that an "unknown" at this point.Hi Bill, thank you for replying and sorry for my late reply. 1. I work here as a programmer and writing every application they asked. What I gain from here is only coding experience and wages. No bonuses and other. Moreover, I code using Vb.Net. When I change into C#, the company didn't agree, they said that the other programmer don't undestand it. 2. I don't even know what position I'll be placed, but I know the director will train and evaluate everything, my attitude, how I solve problem, loyalty, and other. Simple explanation, he's going to judge whether I deserve to be a director or not. 3. If i take the new position, I'll work and learn everything until I finish my college. It's about 2 years. After that, he will send me outside town and manage his company, he had a lot of company. And if he thinks I deserve it all, I'm not working with him anymore. He'll open a new business for me, and I only take half from income. Sweet? I realized writing application and sell it won't make me success hardly, there are too many games company with hundreds or maybe thousands programmer and designer. Me and my friend? 2 programmer and 1 designer. What we can produce might lose in quantity and quality, but I won't give up on this. I think I'd better resign now, accept the new job and keep writing application (out-sourcing). What do you think about it? :laugh:
Hi Ahri, As much as I'd like to, I feel I can't offer you useful feedback in this scenario because I have no idea what the "new job: where, eventually, you will become a director of a company" actually is: will it take you completely out of the programming field, will it take up so much of your time, for some unknown period of time, that you will not have the time and energy to, for example, strengthen your C# skills (if that's a direction you want to go). I respect their may be reasons, like privacy, you don't want to disclose the "new job's" details publicly. But, the key questions remain, for me: does the "new job" pay you a salary; and, how much does that increase in income mean for you (and or your wife, or children, if any). In any case, you have to listen to both your mind, your "guts," and "weigh" what they are telling you in the light of your knowledge of what the "new job" actually is, and reach that decision, which I am sure you will, even though it is always natural to have "second-thoughts" until your "focus" becomes clear, and you become accustomed to your new employment, and the lifestyle changes it may require. It is a struggle for all of us, I believe, to come to grips with the opportunity to change, and to become clear about, and act on, what is of "true and enduring" value, at a given point in our lives. good luck, Bill
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