I hate MFC!!!
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
There is a great RAD tool sitting right between your shoulders - use it. Or better yet try developing GUI's using the API. Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. Richard I must have liberty Withal, as large a charter as the wind, To blow on whom I please. As You Like It. Act ii. Sc. 7. William Shakespeare
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
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There is a great RAD tool sitting right between your shoulders - use it. Or better yet try developing GUI's using the API. Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. Richard I must have liberty Withal, as large a charter as the wind, To blow on whom I please. As You Like It. Act ii. Sc. 7. William Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. :wtf: I've been using MFC for more than 5 years and I "learnt" it pretty well. The more I know it, the more I hate it. :beer:
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL Sorry..wrong forum...Only these posts allowed : Dubya, Iraq, Oil.... Just Kidding..;P Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
Kant wrote: Only these posts allowed : Dubya, Iraq, Oil.... I'm sure Dubya would screw Iraq if he could make their programmers use MFC more. ;P :beer:
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There is a great RAD tool sitting right between your shoulders - use it. Or better yet try developing GUI's using the API. Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. Richard I must have liberty Withal, as large a charter as the wind, To blow on whom I please. As You Like It. Act ii. Sc. 7. William Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. :wtf::wtf: Excuse me? You're saying STL is only good for simple problems? If so, what did you smoke and where can I get it? -- Eventhough the forrest is full of trees, there's still no tree between the trees.
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
Yeah, MFC sucks. It'll kick you right in the nuts if you take your eyes off it for a second. It'll stab you in the back if you turn away. But it must have some advantage, 'cause lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots of people use it, so who are you to argue? :rolleyes:
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There is a great RAD tool sitting right between your shoulders - use it. Or better yet try developing GUI's using the API. Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. Richard I must have liberty Withal, as large a charter as the wind, To blow on whom I please. As You Like It. Act ii. Sc. 7. William Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. :wtf: You serious??? The STL is damn powerful if you look at all it provides!!! I agree with J... I want some of what your smokeing!!! Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Richard Stringer wrote: Take the time to learn MFC and you can throw things up pretty fast. :wtf: I've been using MFC for more than 5 years and I "learnt" it pretty well. The more I know it, the more I hate it. :beer:
Obviously, you did not learn the most important thing: MFC Lesson 1: There are two ways to do things: The MFC one, and the wrong one. ;) Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: The more I know it, the more I hate it. Same here. I use MFC only for "quick tools", where I don't have to fight the UI stuff.
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Richard Stringer wrote: BTW if the logic can bet developed in STL the program can't be very complicated nor should the API. :wtf::wtf: Excuse me? You're saying STL is only good for simple problems? If so, what did you smoke and where can I get it? -- Eventhough the forrest is full of trees, there's still no tree between the trees.
He actually meant to imply that STL is good if you want to attack a simple problem with an overly-complicated code library... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
>Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? For C++ or MFC? ?confused? I like MFC for Windows apps. Its a lightweight wrapper around a messy API. MFC for COM and COM's apostles is something I avoid like the plague, that's what ATL is for. I have serious trouble digesting the fact that you got 'STLs' logic in one day. Writing custom containers and iterators can be tough work, but having it all plug together is nice.
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
What exactly is the problem? MFC has CASE tools (well, kind of) that let you generate dialogs, menus, etc pretty quickly. Granted, the tools are not real CASE tools and the GUIs they create a not flashy, but they get the job done.
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Yeah, MFC sucks. It'll kick you right in the nuts if you take your eyes off it for a second. It'll stab you in the back if you turn away. But it must have some advantage, 'cause lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots of people use it, so who are you to argue? :rolleyes:
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Shog9 I see the way the salesmen stare into the sun I stood and watched them as they fell off one by one...
Shog9 wrote: lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots&lots of people use it Funny, I've used the same argument to defend VB, but it just doesn't work too well... :)
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>Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? For C++ or MFC? ?confused? I like MFC for Windows apps. Its a lightweight wrapper around a messy API. MFC for COM and COM's apostles is something I avoid like the plague, that's what ATL is for. I have serious trouble digesting the fact that you got 'STLs' logic in one day. Writing custom containers and iterators can be tough work, but having it all plug together is nice.
Richard Melton wrote: I have serious trouble digesting the fact that you got 'STLs' logic in one day. God no!!! Is it my English? I didn't learn STL in one day - I developed my program logic using STL in a day. I've been working with STL for 3 years, and I love it. :beer:
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Richard Melton wrote: I have serious trouble digesting the fact that you got 'STLs' logic in one day. God no!!! Is it my English? I didn't learn STL in one day - I developed my program logic using STL in a day. I've been working with STL for 3 years, and I love it. :beer:
Pheeewwww ....I was feeling like a tard... about to shirk off in my corner.
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
.NET isn't much better, in my opinion. That's why I use my own framework built on top of MFC so I only went through the pain once. Now I'm porting the whole thing over to .NET, because it's so lame also! (see my CP articles on the Application Automation Layer). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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What exactly is the problem? MFC has CASE tools (well, kind of) that let you generate dialogs, menus, etc pretty quickly. Granted, the tools are not real CASE tools and the GUIs they create a not flashy, but they get the job done.
Stuart van Weele wrote: What exactly is the problem? The problem is that if I want to paint an edit control background at compile time, I should right-click on that control and pick the color from a palette - not to mess with WM_CTLCOLOREDIT. Simple things should be done simply. Stuart van Weele wrote: Granted, the tools are not real CASE tools and the GUIs they create a not flashy, but they get the job done. In a week. Real tools should get the same job done in a day. :beer:
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Stuart van Weele wrote: What exactly is the problem? The problem is that if I want to paint an edit control background at compile time, I should right-click on that control and pick the color from a palette - not to mess with WM_CTLCOLOREDIT. Simple things should be done simply. Stuart van Weele wrote: Granted, the tools are not real CASE tools and the GUIs they create a not flashy, but they get the job done. In a week. Real tools should get the same job done in a day. :beer:
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I've got a feeling this kind of thing is coming to Visual C++ in the next edition out this year as C# and VB.NET have it, and we have all being shouting about it.
I've worked with C# and VS.NET 2002 and found out that, while much better than MFC + VC 6. it still requires too much messing with simple, tedious things (like manually adding event handlers). Besides, .NET based desktop applications are not (yet) an option IMHO. :beer:
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He actually meant to imply that STL is good if you want to attack a simple problem with an overly-complicated code library... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
I still want some of that smoke though. ;P -- Eventhough the forrest is full of trees, there's still no tree between the trees.
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It took me one day to develop the "logic" with STL, and now I'm working on damn UI for almost a week. Why there is no good RAD tool for C++? No wonder there are so many VB users. Die, MFC, die!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :beer:
