And so it begins...
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wizardzz wrote:
you pay for
My employer pays for :)
It's an OO world.
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public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}That's a sweet deal, but I've been somewhat afraid of it. IMO, what an employer spends on you is essentially your compensation package, just not in the form of cash. I'm afraid if I took an employer's offer on that, it would basically be docked from future income. In that sense, you're still kind of paying for it.
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That's a sweet deal, but I've been somewhat afraid of it. IMO, what an employer spends on you is essentially your compensation package, just not in the form of cash. I'm afraid if I took an employer's offer on that, it would basically be docked from future income. In that sense, you're still kind of paying for it.
Unless of course they don't get into any kind of contract, and you use the training to get a better job somewhere else. I know a guy that did that, his company paid for him to get his Master's, then immediately after he got it he left for a better job because they didn't have any sort of contract to keep him there.
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Unless of course they don't get into any kind of contract, and you use the training to get a better job somewhere else. I know a guy that did that, his company paid for him to get his Master's, then immediately after he got it he left for a better job because they didn't have any sort of contract to keep him there.
From my research, it's not a contract to "keep you there" but you then owe the tuition if you leave within x years. Also a reason I would NEVER do that: Get free tuition and then stick around a while where they wouldn't be motivated to give you anything you want (like raises). If leaving a job would cost me $50k, I'd feel like I was in a shitty spot.
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That's a sweet deal, but I've been somewhat afraid of it. IMO, what an employer spends on you is essentially your compensation package, just not in the form of cash. I'm afraid if I took an employer's offer on that, it would basically be docked from future income. In that sense, you're still kind of paying for it.
My employers would have a serious problem if they fired me. I'm their best programmer by far (not kidding, no arrogance) and I'm responsible for a lot of their libraries. The choice to go back to college was my own, I told them and asked them if they would pay. They agreed. Anyway, if they would fire me I got a paid study and I'm sure I can get a new job with my to-be education ;)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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From my research, it's not a contract to "keep you there" but you then owe the tuition if you leave within x years. Also a reason I would NEVER do that: Get free tuition and then stick around a while where they wouldn't be motivated to give you anything you want (like raises). If leaving a job would cost me $50k, I'd feel like I was in a shitty spot.
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My employers would have a serious problem if they fired me. I'm their best programmer by far (not kidding, no arrogance) and I'm responsible for a lot of their libraries. The choice to go back to college was my own, I told them and asked them if they would pay. They agreed. Anyway, if they would fire me I got a paid study and I'm sure I can get a new job with my to-be education ;)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Naerling wrote:
I'm their best programmer by far (not kidding, no arrogance) and I'm responsible for a lot of their libraries.
Aren't you a relatively new developer? Sometimes knowing what you don't know is the best knowledge to have.
Naerling wrote:
The choice to go back to college was my own, I told them and asked them if they would pay. They agreed.
Anyway, if they would fire me I got a paid study and I'm sure I can get a new job with my to-be educationSounds good that you aren't bound by contract then, good job!
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From my research, it's not a contract to "keep you there" but you then owe the tuition if you leave within x years. Also a reason I would NEVER do that: Get free tuition and then stick around a while where they wouldn't be motivated to give you anything you want (like raises). If leaving a job would cost me $50k, I'd feel like I was in a shitty spot.
Study in the Netherlands is heavily funded by the government. As such a full study would 'only' cost about 8k euros. Even if my employer wouldn't pay I could easily pay it myself. Especially since it's 8k spread over a couple of years. Nope, my employer pays and even if I had to pay back when I left I wouldn't think about leaving twice if I wanted to leave. However, when my employer pays for me I find it more than reasonable that I either work for them for a set period of time or pay back when I leave.
It's an OO world.
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public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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Naerling wrote:
I'm their best programmer by far (not kidding, no arrogance) and I'm responsible for a lot of their libraries.
Aren't you a relatively new developer? Sometimes knowing what you don't know is the best knowledge to have.
Naerling wrote:
The choice to go back to college was my own, I told them and asked them if they would pay. They agreed.
Anyway, if they would fire me I got a paid study and I'm sure I can get a new job with my to-be educationSounds good that you aren't bound by contract then, good job!
wizardzz wrote:
Aren't you a relatively new developer?
Yes I am, but their oldest programmer is stuck somewhere in the 80's, their previous best programmer lost interest and is now co-owner who codes as few as possible and their 'senior' (also co-owner) got mad at me for talking about Design Patterns and SOLID because they could never work (after some heavy discussions we DO use them now though). Anyway, this guy tried hard, but just doesn't get it. There is an intern who is pretty good and probably knows more than me, but he's only intern and will probably be gone after a few months. The other programmers are even newer than me and somehow miss the drive or motivation to study at home. It's the best they could get. Also, I didn't say I was good, I just said I was their best ;)
wizardzz wrote:
Sometimes knowing what you don't know is the best knowledge to have.
Actually I don't know that much at all, that's why I decided to get a degree.
It's an OO world.
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S Houghtelin wrote:
Using the Special High Intensity Training method I take it.
I'll put my books in a blender and drink up all the knowledge contained within them :)
S Houghtelin wrote:
And good luck! I sincerely mean that.
A sincere thank you! :D
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S Houghtelin wrote:
Using the Special High Intensity Training method I take it.
I'll put my books in a blender and drink up all the knowledge contained within them :)
S Houghtelin wrote:
And good luck! I sincerely mean that.
A sincere thank you! :D
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Naerling wrote:
I'll put my books in a blender and drink up all the knowledge contained within them :)
Way too much work. My friend used to keep the books on the shelf in his bedroom. He absorbed the knowledge through osmosis! ;P
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Well, all I can say is good luck with that. :) :)
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Thank you :)
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Naerling wrote:
I'll put my books in a blender and drink up all the knowledge contained within them :)
Way too much work. My friend used to keep the books on the shelf in his bedroom. He absorbed the knowledge through osmosis! ;P
But I can add strawberry flavour ;)
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So I signed up at the Open University[^] and today I received my study material for the first three modules. I just started reading the first course "Introduction to IT"... Shit just got real :~ So I guess I'll have that master degree at the end of the month ;p Until that time I'm off to study.
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Good luck, OU courses are pretty tough, but rewarding.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Good luck, OU courses are pretty tough, but rewarding.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Thanks, I think I'll manage :D
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Yes, and enough certificates net you a bachelor or master degree :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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