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You are wordsmithing. Even the CDC admits they are linked and there is evidence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
The fuck? You don't think there's a difference in manufacturing processes or, i dunno, in the viral proteins since 1976 (you know, evolution) that could explain the fact that the new flu vaccines wouldn't necessarily be associated with GBS even if the old ones were? Are you high?
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So, why does the medical industry claim there is no cure for cancer?
Cancer is not one disease and most forms do not have a definitive cure. You do realize that "the medical industry" is not a thing, right? It's not like there's a hive mind that issues press releases.
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By the way, I do know there is and know people that have cured it from eating healthy.
No you don't. You know people who ate "healthy" and their "cancer" went away. Do you understand the distinction?
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It's an extreme example but cutting something out is not curing it. Ridding maybe, but not curing.
That's a stupid example because it's not anything that we would actually do. Whereas repair of heart defects, prosthetic valves, angioplasty, coils, or cutting out a tumor are. So how are those not cures? If the basic problem in cancer is a growth of malignant cells and we get rid of those cells and they never come back, how is it not a cure?
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So you claim that a doctor getting rid of cancer cells is a cure but eating healthy to get rid of what is actually causing the cancer cells is not a cure? Serious? Come on. Are you just trolling around now?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The fuck? You don't think there's a difference in manufacturing processes or, i dunno, in the viral proteins since 1976 (you know, evolution) that could explain the fact that the new flu vaccines wouldn't necessarily be associated with GBS even if the old ones were? Are you high?
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Stop focusing on that one. There are pages and pages of information that back up what I was saying. Turn off your tunnel vision.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
But I don't understand your point?!? That vaccines have side effects? Who's denying that? I'm just saying that just because they're listed on that webpage doesn't mean that the CDC is implying there is a causal association - and for most of them, it's pretty easy to tell EXACTLY what they mean!?!?
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So you claim that a doctor getting rid of cancer cells is a cure but eating healthy to get rid of what is actually causing the cancer cells is not a cure? Serious? Come on. Are you just trolling around now?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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what is actually causing the cancer cells
Oh, okay. Well, why don't you explain to me what's actually causing the cancer cells that "eating healthy" gets rid of? Because, you know, in all my training I haven't come across the One True Cause For Cancer(TM) and The One True Cure(TM). Shockingly, all the clinical science, histology, pathology, genetics, and basic science that I studied have failed to reveal it.
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But I don't understand your point?!? That vaccines have side effects? Who's denying that? I'm just saying that just because they're listed on that webpage doesn't mean that the CDC is implying there is a causal association - and for most of them, it's pretty easy to tell EXACTLY what they mean!?!?
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what is actually causing the cancer cells
Oh, okay. Well, why don't you explain to me what's actually causing the cancer cells that "eating healthy" gets rid of? Because, you know, in all my training I haven't come across the One True Cause For Cancer(TM) and The One True Cure(TM). Shockingly, all the clinical science, histology, pathology, genetics, and basic science that I studied have failed to reveal it.
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Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money and they want a drug. There is no drug that will cure cancer.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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My point is people are having a hard time believing that vaccines can cause mental disorders, and there it is, right on the CDC page.
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and there it is, right on the CDC page.
Because of GBS? GBS is not a mental disorder. It's a generally reversible autoimmune condition targeting myelin. It's only related to "mental disorders" if you're like, "DURR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM IS ALL THE SAME" and it sure as hell doesn't produce autism spectrum symptoms.
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and there it is, right on the CDC page.
Because of GBS? GBS is not a mental disorder. It's a generally reversible autoimmune condition targeting myelin. It's only related to "mental disorders" if you're like, "DURR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM IS ALL THE SAME" and it sure as hell doesn't produce autism spectrum symptoms.
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Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money and they want a drug. There is no drug that will cure cancer.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment.
Oh my god. That book is ridiculous horseshit. You know the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45, right? You generally can't eat your way alkaline unless you decide to chug a bunch of Tums all at once. And even if you could, it ain't going to cure cancer because cancer cells are not that dumb and because physiology/genetics/cell mechanisms don't work that way. If you truly believe that crap I feel really, really sorry for you.
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You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money
Whereas the ph guy is doing it out of the kindness of his heart and that's why he gives his book away for free OH WAIT. So why do doctors and doctor's kids get cancer? Or am I just part of TEH CONSPIRACY!?!?
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There is no drug that will cure cancer.
Some cancers there is. Some require radiation, chemo, and surgery. Some are resistant to most treatments.
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You keep focusing on just the one. Like I said, read the whole thing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote:
Read the ph miracle.[^]. It talks about how cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment.
Oh my god. That book is ridiculous horseshit. You know the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45, right? You generally can't eat your way alkaline unless you decide to chug a bunch of Tums all at once. And even if you could, it ain't going to cure cancer because cancer cells are not that dumb and because physiology/genetics/cell mechanisms don't work that way. If you truly believe that crap I feel really, really sorry for you.
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You can't look to doctor's or the medical industry for a cure because they want money
Whereas the ph guy is doing it out of the kindness of his heart and that's why he gives his book away for free OH WAIT. So why do doctors and doctor's kids get cancer? Or am I just part of TEH CONSPIRACY!?!?
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There is no drug that will cure cancer.
Some cancers there is. Some require radiation, chemo, and surgery. Some are resistant to most treatments.
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That book is ridiculous horseshit.
Have you read it? What an intelligent comment from someone who hasn't even read it.
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You know the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45
Go get a ph strip and see where you are at. You said "You generally can't eat your way alkaline" and you said "the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45" Over 7 IS alkaline.
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You generally can't eat your way alkaline
Like I said, you CLEARLY have not even read the book. Way to criticize something you know nothing about. Your responses continue to get less and less intelligent.
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Tums
Serious?
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cancer cells are not that dumb
You're right. They're smart. You must be full of cancer because you are a regular genius.
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Whereas the ph guy is doing it out of the kindness
You can get his book for less than $5. How much does cancer treatment cost? Man, even in this response, your intelligence continues to amaze me.
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So why do doctors and doctor's kids get cancer?
As I said before, what do doctors do? Encourage people to eat healthy? No, they give them drugs.
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Some cancers there is.
So, why are there "walks for a cure." There are SO many fund raising groups trying to find a cure.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Why don't you quote me the part that proves your argument. Please also state your argument because it continues to elude me.
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That book is ridiculous horseshit.
Have you read it? What an intelligent comment from someone who hasn't even read it.
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You know the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45
Go get a ph strip and see where you are at. You said "You generally can't eat your way alkaline" and you said "the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45" Over 7 IS alkaline.
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You generally can't eat your way alkaline
Like I said, you CLEARLY have not even read the book. Way to criticize something you know nothing about. Your responses continue to get less and less intelligent.
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Tums
Serious?
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cancer cells are not that dumb
You're right. They're smart. You must be full of cancer because you are a regular genius.
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Whereas the ph guy is doing it out of the kindness
You can get his book for less than $5. How much does cancer treatment cost? Man, even in this response, your intelligence continues to amaze me.
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So why do doctors and doctor's kids get cancer?
As I said before, what do doctors do? Encourage people to eat healthy? No, they give them drugs.
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Some cancers there is.
So, why are there "walks for a cure." There are SO many fund raising groups trying to find a cure.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I've read it. May I suggest instead Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine[^] which I have also read and which is a better source of medical information?
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You said "You generally can't eat your way alkaline" and you said "the body tightly regulates blood pH between 7.35 and 7.45" Over 7 IS alkaline.
WELL GEE THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO STAY ALKALINE HURR HURR. Obviously I'm referring to alkaline with respect to normal blood pH. If your blood pH was 7 you would be in quite the conundrum.
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what do doctors do? Encourage people to eat healthy? No, they give them drugs.
Yeah, we encourage people to eat healthy, but not to cure cancer because that is crazy and wrong.
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So, why are there "walks for a cure." There are SO many fund raising groups trying to find a cure.
Yes, because fundraising groups exactly represent the medical establishment and are willing to communicate the subtleties of cancer research to people with more money than medical knowledge. Naive much?
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[science] admits it can be wrong
Again, you state that science can be wrong. Then you deny you say that.
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I asked you for a link to credible research, and defined what I mean by that, and said I would read it.
You must be getting your messages mixed up because you haven't done this. I did provide a search which provided lots of links. If I gave you a link that proved my point would you change your mind? No, of course you wouldn't. You are not interested in changing your mind because you would have to admit you were wrong. So, what's the point in me providing links to you that you will discredit anyway? I have lots of links, if you won't read them don't try to blame me.
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You're jumping from topic to topic,
No, I brought up religion as a comparison to what your original post was about. You are mad at people that believe differently than you. That's your point, in simple form. I simply stated that there are tons of people in this world mad at you for your beliefs as well. Just showing you that it is not one-sided.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Again, you state that science can be wrong. Then you deny you say that.
No, you just mischaracterised what I said. I said it can be wrong. That's not a good reason to reject it. Your parents can be wrong. Should you then ignore everything they say ?
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You must be getting your messages mixed up because you haven't done this.
No, I did. You're just not reading what I say. I said if you can provide a link to research that is peer reviewed and that shows an increased risk of autism for kids that are vaccinated, then I will read it.
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I did provide a search which provided lots of links.
Yes, and I clicked it. I am not wading through pages of pseudo science. Give me one link that you think best proves your case.
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If I gave you a link that proved my point would you change your mind? No, of course you wouldn't.
Again, this is how science works. I change my mind all the time. I've recently changed my mind on climate change. I wrote about it in here, actually. If I don't change my mind immediately, it will be b/c I want to discuss, and if you understand and can discuss, then I might, depending on the evidence.
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because you would have to admit you were wrong.
Again, what you don't get is that what is to be admired about science is that it seeks to admit when it is wrong. I would do that, if you could offer real proof.
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You are mad at people that believe differently than you. That's your point, in simple form.
Not at all. I am mad at people who are deliberately ignorant and bring harm to society. Did you read my link about 9 babies dying because of the drop in vaccinations ? Dead babies upset me.
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I simply stated that there are tons of people in this world mad at you for your beliefs as well. Just showing you that it is not one-sided.
Making it about beliefs is very PC, but it ignores that there are facts, as well as beliefs. I am not mad at people who don't believe in God, or who have a different view of Him. That's actually a belief, although I think it's back
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you accused me of not knowing anything about autism.
Not true. I am not sure if you are intentionally trying to incite something or if something I said honestly made you think that. You don't know enough about it, that is true. But I did not say you knew nothing about it. And, you have yet proven anything I said to be wrong. Your opinion is not proof.
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when you accused me of raising heathen children.
Give me a break. Stop putting words in my mouth. You're wasting my time. I never said this. Don't add to what I say.
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A focus group paid for by wine sellers found this.
Thank you for agreeing with me. Why don't you dig a little bit more to see who is paying for your so-called scientific studies. Find one and then dig more.
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your ignorance of what I said and what science is,
What part am I wrong about? I can go back and get your quotes.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am not sure if you are intentionally trying to incite something or if something I said honestly made you think that.
Your strategy of flooding me leaves me without time to go back and find it, but you did indeed tell me I didn't know what I was talking about re: autism. But, you indicated that you had experience and I did not. \ Here[^] - 'do you even know anyone autistic ? you are full of it'. That's what you said.
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Your opinion is not proof.
Nor is yours. But I have an opinion about science and you have an opinion about random unproven theories of causality.
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I never said this. Don't add to what I say
Here[^] is where you said 'I could also come after you for not teaching your children proper principles about God. In my point of view, you are damaging your children and doing them harm. But, I know you are trying to do the best you can with what knowledge you have so I don't judge you.', a gross assumption that is false and that plainly says you thought I was raising heathen children ( children who do not know about God ). Are you not accustomed to people who are willing to make you take responsibility for what you say ?
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Thank you for agreeing with me. Why don't you dig a little bit more to see who is paying for your so-called scientific studies. Find one and then dig more.
Gee - I didn't see that one coming. But, until the anti vaccination group does open studies, which allow peer review, they have no studies at all, just wild assumptions. I would agree that it would be ideal for government to pay for more science than they do nowadays.
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What part am I wrong about? I can go back and get your quotes.
you should. Science is an ongoing process of learning. As such, it moves forward when we realise that we got something wrong, and c
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I know this is off topic, but it seems to be at the core of what you are going on about. That isn't the way this stuff works. The Earth is flat cannot be proved because it is false. Once something reaches a level of proof or big T Theory it doesn't get unproved. It can get refined much like the Bohr model of the atom being replaced by the Schrodinger model and then by Quantum Electodynamics, but the Bohr model still makes the same accurate predictions it did when it was created. Something else is that the whole "flat" Earth thing predates the Scientific Method.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
Thank you. This DOES cut to the heart of things. The flat earth was like the autism hypothesis. Non scientific, just a guess based on the processing of incomplete data through wrong assumptions.
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It was proved by the science of the day. I don't know about the specifics nor do I care. Clearly they were wrong.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
This gets to the heart of the issue. It was 'proven' by - 'look, the earth near me is flat, so the whole earth must be', which is not science. It's the same process by which we get 'my friend's child who had a vaccination was diagnosed with autism, therefore the vaccination caused it'.
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Again, you state that science can be wrong. Then you deny you say that.
No, you just mischaracterised what I said. I said it can be wrong. That's not a good reason to reject it. Your parents can be wrong. Should you then ignore everything they say ?
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You must be getting your messages mixed up because you haven't done this.
No, I did. You're just not reading what I say. I said if you can provide a link to research that is peer reviewed and that shows an increased risk of autism for kids that are vaccinated, then I will read it.
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I did provide a search which provided lots of links.
Yes, and I clicked it. I am not wading through pages of pseudo science. Give me one link that you think best proves your case.
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If I gave you a link that proved my point would you change your mind? No, of course you wouldn't.
Again, this is how science works. I change my mind all the time. I've recently changed my mind on climate change. I wrote about it in here, actually. If I don't change my mind immediately, it will be b/c I want to discuss, and if you understand and can discuss, then I might, depending on the evidence.
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because you would have to admit you were wrong.
Again, what you don't get is that what is to be admired about science is that it seeks to admit when it is wrong. I would do that, if you could offer real proof.
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You are mad at people that believe differently than you. That's your point, in simple form.
Not at all. I am mad at people who are deliberately ignorant and bring harm to society. Did you read my link about 9 babies dying because of the drop in vaccinations ? Dead babies upset me.
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I simply stated that there are tons of people in this world mad at you for your beliefs as well. Just showing you that it is not one-sided.
Making it about beliefs is very PC, but it ignores that there are facts, as well as beliefs. I am not mad at people who don't believe in God, or who have a different view of Him. That's actually a belief, although I think it's back
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I said it can be wrong.
As I said, you know science can be wrong. That's all I said.
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That's not a good reason to reject it.
Correct. But it's a wonderful reason not to use that as your only source.
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deliberately ignorant
oxymoron.
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Did you read my link about 9 babies dying because of the drop in vaccinations ?
"correlation is not causality" How does that feel? You can't blame unvaccinated for their deaths. Come on. You have got to be kidding me. Are you being deliberately ignorant?
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that there are facts
Yes, which you continue to ignore. You only accept facts that are proven by "science" which you admit is fallible.
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I am not sure if you are intentionally trying to incite something or if something I said honestly made you think that.
Your strategy of flooding me leaves me without time to go back and find it, but you did indeed tell me I didn't know what I was talking about re: autism. But, you indicated that you had experience and I did not. \ Here[^] - 'do you even know anyone autistic ? you are full of it'. That's what you said.
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Your opinion is not proof.
Nor is yours. But I have an opinion about science and you have an opinion about random unproven theories of causality.
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I never said this. Don't add to what I say
Here[^] is where you said 'I could also come after you for not teaching your children proper principles about God. In my point of view, you are damaging your children and doing them harm. But, I know you are trying to do the best you can with what knowledge you have so I don't judge you.', a gross assumption that is false and that plainly says you thought I was raising heathen children ( children who do not know about God ). Are you not accustomed to people who are willing to make you take responsibility for what you say ?
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Thank you for agreeing with me. Why don't you dig a little bit more to see who is paying for your so-called scientific studies. Find one and then dig more.
Gee - I didn't see that one coming. But, until the anti vaccination group does open studies, which allow peer review, they have no studies at all, just wild assumptions. I would agree that it would be ideal for government to pay for more science than they do nowadays.
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What part am I wrong about? I can go back and get your quotes.
you should. Science is an ongoing process of learning. As such, it moves forward when we realise that we got something wrong, and c
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strategy of flooding me
How old are you?
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'do you even know anyone autistic ? you are full of it'
Yes, I asked if you knew anyone autistic. So, instead of answering you got offended because you heard "you don't know anything about autism" which is not what I said. No wonder we can never make progress. You change what I say. Why do I even bother responding because you'll just change it.
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Nor is yours.
Never claimed that it was.
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random unproven theories of causality.
Ya, like 9 babies dying from the unvaccinated people. Really, how'd they prove that one? You keep spitting out causality and then you use it? So weak.
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'I could also come after you for not teaching your children proper principles about God. In my point of view, you are damaging your children and doing them harm. But, I know you are trying to do the best you can with what knowledge you have so I don't judge you.'
Thank you for another perfect example of how you twist what I said. Heathen at dictionary.com[^]Someone who does not acknowledge the God of the Bible. Really, that is what you heard me say? I even complimented you saying that you are doing the best you can. Can you stop adding to and twisting what I say? I would enjoy a conversation with you but it is near impossible when you keep changing what I say.
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Gee - I didn't see that one coming.
Sooooo, I guess you won't?
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keep an open mind to new ideas,
Really? This is advice coming from you? Wow.
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If you have one real, scientific study
I gave you a link to the CDC's website, the US's national agency that most encourages vaccines. They are the ones who order the vaccines and tell the people which ones to get. And THEY did studies and found that vaccines cause brain damage. What more evidence do you want? Seriously? The very makers of vaccines admit it can cause brain damage and you're crying for a "scient