Am I Being Bullied by Microsoft
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
What version of VB are you referring to?
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
Are you still using VB6? Because that's been obsolete for a long time... If you mean VB.NET, I don't think that's going anywhere. I mean, I'll be skipping straight to Windows 9* anyway, but I don't think Win8 is going to kill VB.NET. * Assuming Microsoft still rules the world by then
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
I'm currently writing an application in Silverlight 5. I plan to use that technology for our in house applications for the next 5 years. I picked Silverlight because it most closely matched what we'll be dealing with in Windows 8 in that we'll still be using XAML, C# and so forth. According to a few blogs (yeah, I know) there is a good chance my current applications will port directly to Windows 8 with little or no code changes. My office is likely to skip Windows 8 altogether. I've no interest in the HTML/Javascript nonsense for business applications - I think that stack is a big sweaty mess - however, if you're doing websites it is probably your only long term option. That puts me in a vulnerable place to some extent because simply everyone is going web - so if I have to go do something else for a living in 5 years that's fine with me. I really hate the klunky HTML stack.
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
I think the issue here isn't that you are being bullied. Instead, I think the issue is that you expect to move forward without change. Let's look through the list. First, the fact that your software doesn't support 32-bit Server 2008 R2 isn't the fault of Microsoft. Instead, it is your software that needs the 64-bit OS. Microsoft was actually doing you a favor by offering a 32-bit OS for Server 2008 R2 (in fact, I didn't realize they still supported it). Servers need lots of RAM and 32-bit server OS's just won't cut it since they can only access 4GB of RAM. Second, it has been known for a long time that Silverlight is a shaky technology. Microsoft tried something and it didn't catch on the way they wanted. Part of the issue was that it only supported Microsoft browsers. It also was very heavy, which wasn't a bad thing when there wasn't an alternative. Now with the rise of really powerful jQuery and HTML5 webpages as well as the rise in tablet/mobile browsing, the need for Silverlight is rapidly diminishing. Microsoft is still supporting it for a long time but they are doing the right thing to sunset it. You can still use Silverlight in Windows 8, though, so you can still use your apps for years to come (probably a decade). Third, investing years into Visual Basic was a mistake (I'm assuming you mean VB6). VB6 has been ready to sunset for years. Microsoft did everyone an enormous favor by continuing support as long as they have (way longer than they should have). Even VB.NET isn't something you should depend on. VB.NET is a gateway drug into the .NET world from VB6. C# is the language that is syntactically the closest to the rest of the major languages and it is the primarly language in .NET. At some point (still in the future), Microsoft is going to say "it isn't cost effective for us to support two languages that do (practically) the exact same thing". Even then they will give you years to transition. Overall, learning new technologies is something you will always need to do no matter what language you choose. The .NET stack is powerful and stable. It is also backed by one of the largest software companies in the world. They make mistakes, but they also try to fix their mistakes without hurting those who bought into their mistakes. My suggestion to you would be to learn the web languages (ASP.NET MVC, jQuery, etc.) They will continue to change and grow, but if you keep up you will be prepared for anything. Right now you can develop apps for the desktop on Windows 8 using these
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Yes, little do you know Microsoft is actually individually targeting you. But really, technology changes, this is nothing new. You can either suck it up and move forward, or try to resist it and get left behind. Your choice.
lewax00 wrote:
But really, technology changes, this is nothing new.
Oh no. Never believe your own propaganda. That's the kind of talk that's used to brainwash noobs and Muggles. Take away all the great names, marketing bla bla and holy wars over nothing, and what is left then? Your fancy 'new technology' is just the same as 30 years ago: A processor, some memory and some I/O. It has gotten a little bigger and faster, but the problem to make that processor do something useful has remained exactly the same, just as the sucesses and the failures.
lewax00 wrote:
You can either suck it up and move forward, or try to resist it and get left behind. Your choice.
Ah, fear driven development :) So you would leave me all alone in this cold world? Go ahead. We will meet again once you discover that you are going in circles. Meanwhile I intend to do some really oldschool stuff, the sort which the propaganda department has tried to scare you away from and made you take for granted (as long as you give them as much money as possible for it).
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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I'm currently writing an application in Silverlight 5. I plan to use that technology for our in house applications for the next 5 years. I picked Silverlight because it most closely matched what we'll be dealing with in Windows 8 in that we'll still be using XAML, C# and so forth. According to a few blogs (yeah, I know) there is a good chance my current applications will port directly to Windows 8 with little or no code changes. My office is likely to skip Windows 8 altogether. I've no interest in the HTML/Javascript nonsense for business applications - I think that stack is a big sweaty mess - however, if you're doing websites it is probably your only long term option. That puts me in a vulnerable place to some extent because simply everyone is going web - so if I have to go do something else for a living in 5 years that's fine with me. I really hate the klunky HTML stack.
MehGerbil wrote:
That puts me in a vulnerable place to some extent because simply everyone is going web - so if I have to go do something else for a living in 5 years that's fine with me. I really hate the klunky HTML stack.
It's only a rumor, but there are still programs that do a little more than wait for a database and then fumble together HTML from some dataset. Somebody still has got to work on the stuff that does some real work and all that great new stuff that's then sold to the 'new and shiny' faction :)
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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I'm currently writing an application in Silverlight 5. I plan to use that technology for our in house applications for the next 5 years. I picked Silverlight because it most closely matched what we'll be dealing with in Windows 8 in that we'll still be using XAML, C# and so forth. According to a few blogs (yeah, I know) there is a good chance my current applications will port directly to Windows 8 with little or no code changes. My office is likely to skip Windows 8 altogether. I've no interest in the HTML/Javascript nonsense for business applications - I think that stack is a big sweaty mess - however, if you're doing websites it is probably your only long term option. That puts me in a vulnerable place to some extent because simply everyone is going web - so if I have to go do something else for a living in 5 years that's fine with me. I really hate the klunky HTML stack.
MehGerbil wrote:
According to a few blogs (yeah, I know) there is a good chance my current applications will port directly to Windows 8 with little or no code changes.
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! And you **believe** that?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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lewax00 wrote:
But really, technology changes, this is nothing new.
Oh no. Never believe your own propaganda. That's the kind of talk that's used to brainwash noobs and Muggles. Take away all the great names, marketing bla bla and holy wars over nothing, and what is left then? Your fancy 'new technology' is just the same as 30 years ago: A processor, some memory and some I/O. It has gotten a little bigger and faster, but the problem to make that processor do something useful has remained exactly the same, just as the sucesses and the failures.
lewax00 wrote:
You can either suck it up and move forward, or try to resist it and get left behind. Your choice.
Ah, fear driven development :) So you would leave me all alone in this cold world? Go ahead. We will meet again once you discover that you are going in circles. Meanwhile I intend to do some really oldschool stuff, the sort which the propaganda department has tried to scare you away from and made you take for granted (as long as you give them as much money as possible for it).
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
CDP1802 wrote:
Take away all the great names, marketing bla bla and holy wars over nothing, and what is left then? Your fancy 'new technology' is just the same as 30 years ago: A processor, some memory and some I/O.
Of course, absolutely nothing has changed. We don't have new methods of input, output, user interaction, communication, or anything like that. Websites function exactly like desktop applications. A smartphone's UI is exactly like an old text-only UI. No new languages have even become successful and replaced older ones (I'm still writing COBOL everyday, just like everyone else, right?). New frameworks and libraries to simplify development have never been created. Everything is still procedural or functional, OOP certainly doesn't exist now. Yes, the underlying mechanics haven't changed, but that doesn't mean the technology hasn't. Is a Model T the same as a Ferrari? They both just convert energy from the combustion of gasoline into linear motion via wheels, so they must be exactly the same right?
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I think the issue here isn't that you are being bullied. Instead, I think the issue is that you expect to move forward without change. Let's look through the list. First, the fact that your software doesn't support 32-bit Server 2008 R2 isn't the fault of Microsoft. Instead, it is your software that needs the 64-bit OS. Microsoft was actually doing you a favor by offering a 32-bit OS for Server 2008 R2 (in fact, I didn't realize they still supported it). Servers need lots of RAM and 32-bit server OS's just won't cut it since they can only access 4GB of RAM. Second, it has been known for a long time that Silverlight is a shaky technology. Microsoft tried something and it didn't catch on the way they wanted. Part of the issue was that it only supported Microsoft browsers. It also was very heavy, which wasn't a bad thing when there wasn't an alternative. Now with the rise of really powerful jQuery and HTML5 webpages as well as the rise in tablet/mobile browsing, the need for Silverlight is rapidly diminishing. Microsoft is still supporting it for a long time but they are doing the right thing to sunset it. You can still use Silverlight in Windows 8, though, so you can still use your apps for years to come (probably a decade). Third, investing years into Visual Basic was a mistake (I'm assuming you mean VB6). VB6 has been ready to sunset for years. Microsoft did everyone an enormous favor by continuing support as long as they have (way longer than they should have). Even VB.NET isn't something you should depend on. VB.NET is a gateway drug into the .NET world from VB6. C# is the language that is syntactically the closest to the rest of the major languages and it is the primarly language in .NET. At some point (still in the future), Microsoft is going to say "it isn't cost effective for us to support two languages that do (practically) the exact same thing". Even then they will give you years to transition. Overall, learning new technologies is something you will always need to do no matter what language you choose. The .NET stack is powerful and stable. It is also backed by one of the largest software companies in the world. They make mistakes, but they also try to fix their mistakes without hurting those who bought into their mistakes. My suggestion to you would be to learn the web languages (ASP.NET MVC, jQuery, etc.) They will continue to change and grow, but if you keep up you will be prepared for anything. Right now you can develop apps for the desktop on Windows 8 using these
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MehGerbil wrote:
According to a few blogs (yeah, I know) there is a good chance my current applications will port directly to Windows 8 with little or no code changes.
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! And you **believe** that?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
A lot of Silverlight apparently went into Windows 8. So it's no longer cross platform, but it's possible to run applications on win phone and tablet and desktops with a silverlight like framework. So in a sense Win 8 is Silverlight 6.
Wout
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CDP1802 wrote:
Take away all the great names, marketing bla bla and holy wars over nothing, and what is left then? Your fancy 'new technology' is just the same as 30 years ago: A processor, some memory and some I/O.
Of course, absolutely nothing has changed. We don't have new methods of input, output, user interaction, communication, or anything like that. Websites function exactly like desktop applications. A smartphone's UI is exactly like an old text-only UI. No new languages have even become successful and replaced older ones (I'm still writing COBOL everyday, just like everyone else, right?). New frameworks and libraries to simplify development have never been created. Everything is still procedural or functional, OOP certainly doesn't exist now. Yes, the underlying mechanics haven't changed, but that doesn't mean the technology hasn't. Is a Model T the same as a Ferrari? They both just convert energy from the combustion of gasoline into linear motion via wheels, so they must be exactly the same right?
lewax00 wrote:
Of course, absolutely nothing has changed.
Ah, I love the smell of sarcasm in the evening. Smells like victory. :)
lewax00 wrote:
We don't have new methods of input, output, user interaction, communication, or anything like that. Websites function exactly like desktop applications. A smartphone's UI is exactly like an old text-only UI. No new languages have even become successful and replaced older ones (I'm still writing COBOL everyday, just like everyone else, right?). New frameworks and libraries to simplify development have never been created. Everything is still procedural or functional, OOP certainly doesn't exist now.
And do you really believe all that? For all those years all kinds of companies have tried to sell us their next new thing, always promising that we will get better, more productive and more successful than ever. How productive should we be up to now? Do we do the impossible instantly, only wonders take a little longer? Do less software projects fail now? Do you actually need any of this stuff? All I see is companies trying sell you their next product with just the same old promises. They have actually turned the tables on us and try to condition us like dogs instead of traditionally kissing their customers' feet. They throw the stick and expect us to run after it. Trust them, it's alwyas in the one and only right direction, even if it's suddently not yesterday's one and only direction anymore. Don't think, just keep running. Good dog!
lewax00 wrote:
Yes, the underlying mechanics haven't changed, but that doesn't mean the technology hasn't. Is a Model T the same as a Ferrari? They both just convert energy from the combustion of gasoline into linear motion via wheels, so they must be exactly the same right?
No big difference. Try to win a race with both and arrive at the finish line (preferrably alive) will be equally challenging.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
Microsoft doesn't change the technology. Microsoft just changes the name.
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Tim Corey wrote:
Part of the issue was that it only supported Microsoft browsers.
It works fine in both the latest version of Firefox and the latest version of Chrome.
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lewax00 wrote:
Of course, absolutely nothing has changed.
Ah, I love the smell of sarcasm in the evening. Smells like victory. :)
lewax00 wrote:
We don't have new methods of input, output, user interaction, communication, or anything like that. Websites function exactly like desktop applications. A smartphone's UI is exactly like an old text-only UI. No new languages have even become successful and replaced older ones (I'm still writing COBOL everyday, just like everyone else, right?). New frameworks and libraries to simplify development have never been created. Everything is still procedural or functional, OOP certainly doesn't exist now.
And do you really believe all that? For all those years all kinds of companies have tried to sell us their next new thing, always promising that we will get better, more productive and more successful than ever. How productive should we be up to now? Do we do the impossible instantly, only wonders take a little longer? Do less software projects fail now? Do you actually need any of this stuff? All I see is companies trying sell you their next product with just the same old promises. They have actually turned the tables on us and try to condition us like dogs instead of traditionally kissing their customers' feet. They throw the stick and expect us to run after it. Trust them, it's alwyas in the one and only right direction, even if it's suddently not yesterday's one and only direction anymore. Don't think, just keep running. Good dog!
lewax00 wrote:
Yes, the underlying mechanics haven't changed, but that doesn't mean the technology hasn't. Is a Model T the same as a Ferrari? They both just convert energy from the combustion of gasoline into linear motion via wheels, so they must be exactly the same right?
No big difference. Try to win a race with both and arrive at the finish line (preferrably alive) will be equally challenging.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
CDP1802 wrote:
And do you really believe all that? For all those years all kinds of companies have tried to sell us their next new thing, always promising that we will get better, more productive and more successful than ever. How productive should we be up to now? Do we do the impossible instantly, only wonders take a little longer? Do less software projects fail now? Do you actually need any of this stuff?
Alright. Go write your next large multi-platform GUI-based program in machine code. While you're busy wasting your time and pretending that none of it changes anything, I'll be doing something productive, like finishing the same application in a fraction of the time by learning to use and utilize new tools as they become available :)
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CDP1802 wrote:
And do you really believe all that? For all those years all kinds of companies have tried to sell us their next new thing, always promising that we will get better, more productive and more successful than ever. How productive should we be up to now? Do we do the impossible instantly, only wonders take a little longer? Do less software projects fail now? Do you actually need any of this stuff?
Alright. Go write your next large multi-platform GUI-based program in machine code. While you're busy wasting your time and pretending that none of it changes anything, I'll be doing something productive, like finishing the same application in a fraction of the time by learning to use and utilize new tools as they become available :)
lewax00 wrote:
Go write your next large multi-platform GUI-based program in machine code
You lose. I already did that when I was 12 years old, but minus the GUI part. Was not really hard because no two self-built computers were alike. We used something like a simple virtual machine for that. Or we compensated the lack of any OS by using FORTH, gaining most of the benefits of the oh so modern functional languages and even multitasking. My buddy, who got me to build a computer in the first place, later built himself a graphics card and also wrote a GUI as soon as he got hold of a mouse. Must have been around 1982. Where did he get that mouse from? But ok, go on with the 'new' tools, but take care not to become a tool yourself :)
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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Is It Just Me Lately I get messages about my operating system that’s not that old, Server 2008 R2 that new software that I need to load isn’t supported by my operating system and that updating my operating systems means that I need to upgrade my computer to a 64 bit processor, the quote of $5,500.00 because I like grunt for my computer and upgrading my software is an expensive prospect. But that’s not all Now I hear from the top in Microsoft that Silverlight 6 won’t happen and all the development over the last few years was a waste of time and money on Web Development and that most of the technology will change. So all our development is only good for intranet and you can scrap half of that. There’s a whole heap of new technologies that I need to learn with windows 8 coming out and the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support after being told by Microsoft that they would continue to support the home language but now I’m hearing that if I want to continue with VB then I need to write games software. I don’t write games software and if I did then I would have to learn a lot more than VB to write game software. The Cross Road So what are my options? Maybe I should look at other Languages and Companies? Are they better with fewer problems? Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make. Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee. I’m feeling quite bullied at the moment, maybe I’m over thinking this?
k-vic wrote:
the programming language that I have invested into for years Visual Basic is now having reduced support
It's about time. VB6 should have been the last release. VB was dead when .NET came out.
k-vic wrote:
Maybe all VB programmers should consider jumping ship
You are finally getting it. There is no VB in the future.
k-vic wrote:
or adding pressure to Microsoft to honor their commitment to statements they make
Grow up, this is Micro$oft we are talking about.
k-vic wrote:
Maybe letting one person make decision about the future and movement of development should not be decided by a few but by a steering committee.
Actually that is probably what happened and the decision was made that trying to support VB didn't make sense.
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