Will Windows 8 kill win32 API?
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Nope, not at all. The new start screen and metro style apps are fancy and modern, but behind all that once you get back to the desktop, the vast majority of what you are seeing is a combination of the old Win32 API and LOTS of COM (most of the shell stuff is implemented via com, right click handlers, icons, etc etc). So Win32 will be around for a while, there are just too many existing applications built upon it to risk changing the architecture of the windowing system too much.
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whenever I have to go back to our C++ aps, looking at the COM code fills me with fear, we used to always double estimates with COM, so much that can go wrong!
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..why wouldn't there be? There has always been an API in Windows, it has always been backward compatible, there is nothing to replace it, and trying to replace it might bankrupt Microsoft. Where the elephant did you find this question? It's as idiotic as asking whether the internet will be replaced.
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whenever I have to go back to our C++ aps, looking at the COM code fills me with fear, we used to always double estimates with COM, so much that can go wrong!
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Smart pointers make COM way easier than it was "back in the day". if you have to call AddRef() and Release() yourself, you're doing it the hard way. At least, that's been our experience. YMMV as usual. :java:
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I hope they get rid of that 32 bit stuff! That's so 1990!
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That'll take a while to work its way out... there's just wayyy too much 32bit code.
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..why wouldn't there be? There has always been an API in Windows, it has always been backward compatible, there is nothing to replace it, and trying to replace it might bankrupt Microsoft. Where the elephant did you find this question? It's as idiotic as asking whether the internet will be replaced.
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How the f*ck do you think Win32 will die when, at its core, all of Windows 8 relies on it? I think you need to remove "super" from your user ID, unless "norb" is a foreign translation of the term "retard".
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I hope they get rid of that 32 bit stuff! That's so 1990!
regards Torsten When I'm not working
TorstenH. wrote:
I hope they get rid of that 32 bit stuff! That's so 1990!
They didn't even have 16 bit Windows 3.1 ironed out fully in 1990. No 32 bit coming out of Microsoft back then.
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Microsoft ?
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If PC is on the way out, win32 API will disappear with it. It will be a natural death. :((
TOMZ_KV
The PC is in his way out?, sorry, i didn't knew, in which universe is it? :)
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supernorb wrote:
And there will be another API for Windows OS?
Win8 has "WinRT" which is supposed to be its replacement, however I doubt you're going to see Win32 disappear any more than COM has been completely replaced by .Net. You may not see Microsoft release any new products based on them but the industry support behind both is pretty massive. Microsoft may decide to change their technology but penetration of the new technology is now going to be on the order of decades. What ... think the installed base of billions of machines is just going to roll over and die now that WinRT has been cooked up? -CB
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Microsoft has been getting crazier by the minute and now finally has lost its marbles. They have a little identity crisis and want to be just like Apple at all cost. Part of that cost will be the customers who would go to Apple if they wanted to have Apple. Who knows what they will do next? But seriously, Win 32 is ancient, which is by no means a bad thing in my book. They would like to kill it, but they can't. A modern native and unmanaged alternative has been long overdue, but that would have conflicted with their (constantly changing) strategy, including .Net.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
CDP1802 wrote:
Microsoft has been getting crazier by the minute and now finally has lost its marbles. They have a little identity crisis and want to be just like Apple at all cost. Part of that cost will be the customers who would go to Apple if they wanted to have Apple. Who knows what they will do next?
I really think that MS has completely gone nuts. 30 years of advance in display technology only to convert the system back to flat white with monochromatic icons (Metro). If I were strictly a consumer (rather than a developer) I would consider going with a Mac on the next go 'round.
CDP1802 wrote:
But seriously, Win 32 is ancient, which is by no means a bad thing in my book. They would like to kill it, but they can't. A modern native and unmanaged alternative has been long overdue, but that would have conflicted with their (constantly changing) strategy, including .Net.
You aren't going to get rid of Win32 any more than you're going to get rid of the 12Volt system still put in cars. That technology should have died years ago (not that Win32 should 'die') yet is still the basis for everything rolling off the assembly line in both Detroit and Tokyo. If you write Win32 code don't fear too much; you'll be in demand for a long freaking time! I'm going to continue to write C# for the desktop and the back-end. I doubt that I'll see a lack of work for the rest of my career. -CB :-)
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Nope, not at all. The new start screen and metro style apps are fancy and modern, but behind all that once you get back to the desktop, the vast majority of what you are seeing is a combination of the old Win32 API and LOTS of COM (most of the shell stuff is implemented via com, right click handlers, icons, etc etc). So Win32 will be around for a while, there are just too many existing applications built upon it to risk changing the architecture of the windowing system too much.
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Dave Kerr wrote:
Nope, not at all. The new start screen and metro style apps are fancy and modern, but behind all that once you get back to the desktop, the vast majority of what you are seeing is a combination of the old Win32 API and LOTS of COM (most of the shell stuff is implemented via com, right click handlers, icons, etc etc).
I've played with all the release previews since the DEV preview last fall. Tell me: what's "fancy and modern" about flat white and monochromatic icons? -CB :-)
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If PC is on the way out, win32 API will disappear with it. It will be a natural death. :((
TOMZ_KV
Tomz_KV wrote:
If PC is on the way out, win32 API will disappear with it. It will be a natural death. :((
Don't hold the wake just yet. There's going to have to be a couple billion machines replaced to say nothing of the millions still being sold with Win7 on them. Microsoft has a very uphill battle with this one, IMHO. -CB :-)
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How the f*ck do you think Win32 will die when, at its core, all of Windows 8 relies on it? I think you need to remove "super" from your user ID, unless "norb" is a foreign translation of the term "retard".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think you need to remove "super" from your user ID, unless "norb" is a foreign translation of the term "retard".
:omg: Was that really necessary John?
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Dave Kerr wrote:
Nope, not at all. The new start screen and metro style apps are fancy and modern, but behind all that once you get back to the desktop, the vast majority of what you are seeing is a combination of the old Win32 API and LOTS of COM (most of the shell stuff is implemented via com, right click handlers, icons, etc etc).
I've played with all the release previews since the DEV preview last fall. Tell me: what's "fancy and modern" about flat white and monochromatic icons? -CB :-)
good point ;)
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If PC is on the way out, win32 API will disappear with it. It will be a natural death. :((
TOMZ_KV
If the pc is on the way out, they're really gonna have to improve my phone. For one, I'll need a larger screen - at LEAST 1920 x 1080. And I'll need a real keyboard. And a mouse - When I'm in a paint program, fingers are just too clumsy. Oh, and a MUCH bigger drive. And more RAM. The CPU is aaaaalmost fast enough. All those things are going to need a beefy power supply. And don't make me code in Java or Objective C PLEASE !! I'll want it to run win32. If you can get my phone to do THAT, then I'll get rid of my desktop.
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The PC is in his way out?, sorry, i didn't knew, in which universe is it? :)
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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Tomz_KV wrote:
If PC is on the way out, win32 API will disappear with it. It will be a natural death. :((
Don't hold the wake just yet. There's going to have to be a couple billion machines replaced to say nothing of the millions still being sold with Win7 on them. Microsoft has a very uphill battle with this one, IMHO. -CB :-)