Google is working on Gigabit internet
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http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/07/google-gigabit-fibre-optic.html[^] Damn, that's fast :-D
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Good for Kansas City people, irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
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Good for Kansas City people, irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
daniilzol wrote:
irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
Not necessarily. My guess is they are testing the waters. See how people like it. See how/what the response from other ISPs (and of course cable TV) providers is. I am hoping it is handled well, because I could see it branching out. Google is a big pusher of net neutrality, yet many of the ISPs want to throttle etc. This gives google a weapon against them. "go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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daniilzol wrote:
google has no plans to expand its service.
Really? I remember a year or 2 ago when Google first announced the project they said it was a test bed for future projects. Has that officially changed?
AFAIK google has repeatedly said they do not want to be a nationwide ISP. When they said a test bed for future projects, they meant projects other than delivering fiber to the home, such as google voice, google TV, google cloud services, and whatnot. Google simply wants to test their services over faster network, but they do not want to build it.
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daniilzol wrote:
irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
Not necessarily. My guess is they are testing the waters. See how people like it. See how/what the response from other ISPs (and of course cable TV) providers is. I am hoping it is handled well, because I could see it branching out. Google is a big pusher of net neutrality, yet many of the ISPs want to throttle etc. This gives google a weapon against them. "go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
"go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Yes, I see this as a serious shot across the bow of the major ISPs, and also showing that the ISPs' hand wringing about bandwidth and data caps to be what it is: complete BS. They're showing up every ISP in the country and it's great to see.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
"go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Yes, I see this as a serious shot across the bow of the major ISPs, and also showing that the ISPs' hand wringing about bandwidth and data caps to be what it is: complete BS. They're showing up every ISP in the country and it's great to see.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
It doesn't work like you think it does. Except for a few small markets there is no overlap in coverage meaning there is no competition. Where I live right now I have a choice between 768Kbps (yes, 768 kilobits per second) AT&T and Comcast, which is not much of a choice really. At my last place I had a choice of two cable providers, marginally better, but still a duopoly. Major ISPs are not motivated by high speed internet vision, they're motivated by money, they know already that data caps are BS, do not be fooled into thinking they truly believe what they spout about data caps. They see caps as added revenue in the future, which is why they're implementing them now. They couldn't give a damn about google because it's only one market out of the whole country, it is not a threat to them, and no, they're not going to lower prices and up the speed just because google "shows them the way". Sad, but true. Google fiber has no value to the rest of us not in Kansas.
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It doesn't work like you think it does. Except for a few small markets there is no overlap in coverage meaning there is no competition. Where I live right now I have a choice between 768Kbps (yes, 768 kilobits per second) AT&T and Comcast, which is not much of a choice really. At my last place I had a choice of two cable providers, marginally better, but still a duopoly. Major ISPs are not motivated by high speed internet vision, they're motivated by money, they know already that data caps are BS, do not be fooled into thinking they truly believe what they spout about data caps. They see caps as added revenue in the future, which is why they're implementing them now. They couldn't give a damn about google because it's only one market out of the whole country, it is not a threat to them, and no, they're not going to lower prices and up the speed just because google "shows them the way". Sad, but true. Google fiber has no value to the rest of us not in Kansas.
daniilzol wrote:
they know already that data caps are BS
I meant they're showing the customers that there's no good reason for caps, which could ultimately hurt the big guys. If this Kansas City experiment proves profitable - perhaps very profitable - I would not be at all surprised to see Google roll it out to more areas, in fact it would be fiscally irresponsible not to, which should give the telcos and cable giants pause. I have the choice between the same providers you do: AT&T and Comcast. Except they're both fairly high speed (for the US anyway); not that it matters for competition at the moment. Collusion is illegal but when it's a duopoly, silent agreements are enough. None of the current big players are going to change on their own; a new potentially major player on the scene however, who has deep pockets and ulterior motives for unlimited internet, should make the old guard nervous, or they will be left behind.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
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daniilzol wrote:
they know already that data caps are BS
I meant they're showing the customers that there's no good reason for caps, which could ultimately hurt the big guys. If this Kansas City experiment proves profitable - perhaps very profitable - I would not be at all surprised to see Google roll it out to more areas, in fact it would be fiscally irresponsible not to, which should give the telcos and cable giants pause. I have the choice between the same providers you do: AT&T and Comcast. Except they're both fairly high speed (for the US anyway); not that it matters for competition at the moment. Collusion is illegal but when it's a duopoly, silent agreements are enough. None of the current big players are going to change on their own; a new potentially major player on the scene however, who has deep pockets and ulterior motives for unlimited internet, should make the old guard nervous, or they will be left behind.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
I would sincerely hope it goes the way you say, but I doubt it will. There are a few successful regional municipal and private ISPs (utopia, Lafayette IN, Sonic.net) however they're not expanding beyond their original footprint despite being profitable. Verizon was deploying FIOS for a couple of years as fast as they could, it's profitable now, very profitable, but they had to stop deployment due to investor pressure. Instead, they're raising FIOS prices significantly, it no longer is a bargain compared to cable. Google is a public company, and deploying fiber, or any kind of last mile solution will require major capital, and the stockholders will scream because they demand short term results only. If we're lucky, and I mean really really lucky, telcos will have to start upgrading phone lines to fiber in order to stay competitive with cable, which will force cable to upgrade last mile to fiber as well. However, that's a very long shot, especially since telcos seem to be betting on LTE and future over the air internet technologies that are ripe for overage abuse. To be short, good that google is doing this, bit I don't think it's going to help us at all.