Mars Settlement
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That was the date that was in my head as well. Not sure where I heard it, but it seem to stick.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
I have a PowerPoint presentation somewhere that a friend sent me some years ago that he got from a friend at NASA that shows the time line. I'll see if I can find it and post it somewhere.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I believe the original NASA estimate was to get boots on Mars around 2030. This seems a little ambitious but I wish them luck.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
For NASA, yes, that is true. Mars One is a private enterprise. Interesting side note, the introductory video says that the astronauts will go there to live out the rest of their lives :~
Be The Noise
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For NASA, yes, that is true. Mars One is a private enterprise. Interesting side note, the introductory video says that the astronauts will go there to live out the rest of their lives :~
Be The Noise
"If a trip to Mars you earn, remember pal, there's no return." Burma Shave
BDF I often make very large prints from unexposed film, and every one of them turns out to be a picture of myself as I once dreamed I would be. -- BillWoodruff
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I have a PowerPoint presentation somewhere that a friend sent me some years ago that he got from a friend at NASA that shows the time line. I'll see if I can find it and post it somewhere.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Mars One will take humanity to Mars in 2023, to establish the foundation of a permanent settlement from which we will prosper, learn, and grow. Before the first crew lands, Mars One will have established a habitable, sustainable settlement designed to receive new astronauts every two years. To accomplish this, Mars One has developed a precise, realistic plan based entirely upon existing technologies. It is both economically and logistically feasible, in motion through the aggregation of existing suppliers and experts in space exploration. We invite you to participate in this journey, by sharing our vision with your friends, by supporting our effort, and perhaps, by becoming the next Mars astronaut yourself.
Is this even realistic? 11 years?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
:laugh: Mars One is essentially Big Brother on Mars... seriously:
What is the business model?[^]
There is a big difference between the Apollo missions, the ISS, and our mission. Our mission will be one of extreme exploration. It will truly be the next giant leap for mankind. And who gets to go to Mars will be decided, at least in part, by the audience. This audience interaction will greatly enhance entertainment value and audience engagement for the project. The candidate astronauts are sure to be interesting characters, and their training programme will be fascinating for a great many people - for its technical interest as well as the human challenges involved with such a physically and psychologically demanding programme.
Why reality TV to finance the mission?[^]
Reality TV can have a negative ring to it. This has been caused in part by recent programs that exploit cheap tricks to make the show ‘juicy’ enough to attract more viewers. This will not be required, however, for the Mars One mission: the adventure of going to Mars and settling on a new planet is exciting enough in itself. We confidently predict that as the project matures and activities develop on the planet, our global audience will remain fascinated. There will hopefully be unforeseen major events to broadcast, such as the first wedding on Mars, or perhaps even the discovery of life on Mars. Imagine that we had video recordings of Columbus' journey in 1492! If the Mars mission is brought to you as reality TV, you will see how the astronauts land on Mars, start construction on their habitat, cooperate, discuss, laugh and live. If this were organized by a space agency, all you would get to see are the weekly one-hour updates.
Also, one of the ambassadors for the mission is Paul Römer[
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Mars One will take humanity to Mars in 2023, to establish the foundation of a permanent settlement from which we will prosper, learn, and grow. Before the first crew lands, Mars One will have established a habitable, sustainable settlement designed to receive new astronauts every two years. To accomplish this, Mars One has developed a precise, realistic plan based entirely upon existing technologies. It is both economically and logistically feasible, in motion through the aggregation of existing suppliers and experts in space exploration. We invite you to participate in this journey, by sharing our vision with your friends, by supporting our effort, and perhaps, by becoming the next Mars astronaut yourself.
Is this even realistic? 11 years?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
I say the movie and read the book (unfortuantely the were both new at the time), I thought that we had gotten to Jupiter years ago, whats the big deal.
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:laugh: Mars One is essentially Big Brother on Mars... seriously:
What is the business model?[^]
There is a big difference between the Apollo missions, the ISS, and our mission. Our mission will be one of extreme exploration. It will truly be the next giant leap for mankind. And who gets to go to Mars will be decided, at least in part, by the audience. This audience interaction will greatly enhance entertainment value and audience engagement for the project. The candidate astronauts are sure to be interesting characters, and their training programme will be fascinating for a great many people - for its technical interest as well as the human challenges involved with such a physically and psychologically demanding programme.
Why reality TV to finance the mission?[^]
Reality TV can have a negative ring to it. This has been caused in part by recent programs that exploit cheap tricks to make the show ‘juicy’ enough to attract more viewers. This will not be required, however, for the Mars One mission: the adventure of going to Mars and settling on a new planet is exciting enough in itself. We confidently predict that as the project matures and activities develop on the planet, our global audience will remain fascinated. There will hopefully be unforeseen major events to broadcast, such as the first wedding on Mars, or perhaps even the discovery of life on Mars. Imagine that we had video recordings of Columbus' journey in 1492! If the Mars mission is brought to you as reality TV, you will see how the astronauts land on Mars, start construction on their habitat, cooperate, discuss, laugh and live. If this were organized by a space agency, all you would get to see are the weekly one-hour updates.
Also, one of the ambassadors for the mission is Paul Römer[
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Mars One will take humanity to Mars in 2023, to establish the foundation of a permanent settlement from which we will prosper, learn, and grow. Before the first crew lands, Mars One will have established a habitable, sustainable settlement designed to receive new astronauts every two years. To accomplish this, Mars One has developed a precise, realistic plan based entirely upon existing technologies. It is both economically and logistically feasible, in motion through the aggregation of existing suppliers and experts in space exploration. We invite you to participate in this journey, by sharing our vision with your friends, by supporting our effort, and perhaps, by becoming the next Mars astronaut yourself.
Is this even realistic? 11 years?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Did they ever get Biodome working alright? Think about it, it's a one way trip for the astronauts. The cost to send more will surely be more expensive than letting them breed and give birth (I'm sure a human or robo/remote doctor will be a required crew member). It will be the first non Earth citizen. I hope they name him Marvin, but he might get teased for it.
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Did they ever get Biodome working alright? Think about it, it's a one way trip for the astronauts. The cost to send more will surely be more expensive than letting them breed and give birth (I'm sure a human or robo/remote doctor will be a required crew member). It will be the first non Earth citizen. I hope they name him Marvin, but he might get teased for it.
In the first years, the Mars settlement is not a suitable place for children to live. The medical facilities will be limited and the group is too small. Furthermore, the human ability to conceive in reduced gravity is not known, neither is there enough research on whether a fetus can grow normally under these circumstances. Mars One will therefore strongly advise the settlement habitants not to attempt to have children. In order to establish a true settlement on Mars, having children is very important. This will be an important point of research on Mars.
At least two of them will have to know all the equipment inside-out, so that they can identify and solve any problems before they reach critical levels. At least two others will receive extensive medical training to give them the knowledge to treat the most important health issues.
Be The Noise
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Did they ever get Biodome working alright? Think about it, it's a one way trip for the astronauts. The cost to send more will surely be more expensive than letting them breed and give birth (I'm sure a human or robo/remote doctor will be a required crew member). It will be the first non Earth citizen. I hope they name him Marvin, but he might get teased for it.
wizardzz wrote:
Did they ever get Biodome working alright?
Think about it, it's a one way trip for the astronauts.That's the idea. It is definitely a one-way trip. While most people would say no way "your nutz" I am quite certain there are many out there that would go. The real question is, out of that pool of people who can handle it. We are not talking about a few months or a year of building and surviving on your own. It is essenitally "forever". Granted as tech advances so will the colony... But being on those first few teams takes a certain strength and devotion. Both are critical. The schedule shows resources etc. going up till 2023 when the first 4 astronauts will go. Every year after that 2 more will arrive with additional "Pod" space and "back up" stuff (redundancy power supplies etc.)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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They'll have to take away every possible way they could do themselves in. I think after 3 or 4 years they'll go crazy.
wizardzz wrote:
I think after 3 or 4 years they'll go crazy.
That is kind of my thought. Who knows though. By then tech could be advanced enough to build return "drop" (not sure what to call it... something that drops to the planet then allows them to get back to a return shuttle). I doubt it though. And that is also not part of the plan. It is more laid out to build a "natural" settlement after so many deployments (i.e. using Mars structure to internally make more pods etc.)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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In the first years, the Mars settlement is not a suitable place for children to live. The medical facilities will be limited and the group is too small. Furthermore, the human ability to conceive in reduced gravity is not known, neither is there enough research on whether a fetus can grow normally under these circumstances. Mars One will therefore strongly advise the settlement habitants not to attempt to have children. In order to establish a true settlement on Mars, having children is very important. This will be an important point of research on Mars.
At least two of them will have to know all the equipment inside-out, so that they can identify and solve any problems before they reach critical levels. At least two others will receive extensive medical training to give them the knowledge to treat the most important health issues.
Be The Noise
Centrifuge, for all 9 months? If the reduced gravity could be bad for fetuses, could it also be harmful, to say, all humans? It is quite a drastic reduction in gravity after all. I think they should do a sci-fi Running Man/12 Monkeys/Death Race type thing and send prisoners who volunteer. Especially wrongfully convicted ones, boy that would be original.
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wizardzz wrote:
I think after 3 or 4 years they'll go crazy.
That is kind of my thought. Who knows though. By then tech could be advanced enough to build return "drop" (not sure what to call it... something that drops to the planet then allows them to get back to a return shuttle). I doubt it though. And that is also not part of the plan. It is more laid out to build a "natural" settlement after so many deployments (i.e. using Mars structure to internally make more pods etc.)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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:laugh: Mars One is essentially Big Brother on Mars... seriously:
What is the business model?[^]
There is a big difference between the Apollo missions, the ISS, and our mission. Our mission will be one of extreme exploration. It will truly be the next giant leap for mankind. And who gets to go to Mars will be decided, at least in part, by the audience. This audience interaction will greatly enhance entertainment value and audience engagement for the project. The candidate astronauts are sure to be interesting characters, and their training programme will be fascinating for a great many people - for its technical interest as well as the human challenges involved with such a physically and psychologically demanding programme.
Why reality TV to finance the mission?[^]
Reality TV can have a negative ring to it. This has been caused in part by recent programs that exploit cheap tricks to make the show ‘juicy’ enough to attract more viewers. This will not be required, however, for the Mars One mission: the adventure of going to Mars and settling on a new planet is exciting enough in itself. We confidently predict that as the project matures and activities develop on the planet, our global audience will remain fascinated. There will hopefully be unforeseen major events to broadcast, such as the first wedding on Mars, or perhaps even the discovery of life on Mars. Imagine that we had video recordings of Columbus' journey in 1492! If the Mars mission is brought to you as reality TV, you will see how the astronauts land on Mars, start construction on their habitat, cooperate, discuss, laugh and live. If this were organized by a space agency, all you would get to see are the weekly one-hour updates.
Also, one of the ambassadors for the mission is Paul Römer[
Karl Sanford wrote:
I can't figure out if this is the most brilliant, or most depraved thing I have ever seen.
Perhaps it is both.
BDF I often make very large prints from unexposed film, and every one of them turns out to be a picture of myself as I once dreamed I would be. -- BillWoodruff
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:laugh: Mars One is essentially Big Brother on Mars... seriously:
What is the business model?[^]
There is a big difference between the Apollo missions, the ISS, and our mission. Our mission will be one of extreme exploration. It will truly be the next giant leap for mankind. And who gets to go to Mars will be decided, at least in part, by the audience. This audience interaction will greatly enhance entertainment value and audience engagement for the project. The candidate astronauts are sure to be interesting characters, and their training programme will be fascinating for a great many people - for its technical interest as well as the human challenges involved with such a physically and psychologically demanding programme.
Why reality TV to finance the mission?[^]
Reality TV can have a negative ring to it. This has been caused in part by recent programs that exploit cheap tricks to make the show ‘juicy’ enough to attract more viewers. This will not be required, however, for the Mars One mission: the adventure of going to Mars and settling on a new planet is exciting enough in itself. We confidently predict that as the project matures and activities develop on the planet, our global audience will remain fascinated. There will hopefully be unforeseen major events to broadcast, such as the first wedding on Mars, or perhaps even the discovery of life on Mars. Imagine that we had video recordings of Columbus' journey in 1492! If the Mars mission is brought to you as reality TV, you will see how the astronauts land on Mars, start construction on their habitat, cooperate, discuss, laugh and live. If this were organized by a space agency, all you would get to see are the weekly one-hour updates.
Also, one of the ambassadors for the mission is Paul Römer[
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Mars One will take humanity to Mars in 2023, to establish the foundation of a permanent settlement from which we will prosper, learn, and grow. Before the first crew lands, Mars One will have established a habitable, sustainable settlement designed to receive new astronauts every two years. To accomplish this, Mars One has developed a precise, realistic plan based entirely upon existing technologies. It is both economically and logistically feasible, in motion through the aggregation of existing suppliers and experts in space exploration. We invite you to participate in this journey, by sharing our vision with your friends, by supporting our effort, and perhaps, by becoming the next Mars astronaut yourself.
Is this even realistic? 11 years?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
A foreseeable problem is that it will become a lot harder to terraform a planet when it's already inhabited, unless we kill everyone on it. So, seriously... it would be better if we build bigger space stations and colonize the moon first; then wait until we have the technology to crash a bunch of space debris on mars and THEN colonize it.
Giraffes are not real.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Is this even realistic
Probably not. But I have quite a list of people that should be the first to get the heck off my planet!
Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Please stand in front of my pistol, smile and wait for the flash - JSOP 2012
:laugh: Spoken like the true wizard, they should however take the ring of darkness with them :) PS: Think they already left mentally, if not physically ;)
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harold aptroot wrote:
it's just that no one paid for it.
Which is exactly why one should wonder how realistic it is.
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I think it is a little bit optimistic in terms of years, make it 20 years and I'm on board. We need to be able to start shooting building material to Mars in the next couple of years and have them land safely in in close proximity to each other to be feasible. No need to have fancy equipment (those will come after with the humans), but just sturdy enough and foolproof to limit the cost of shipping ( and failure ). The big issue is that we need to time the delivery with the proper "alignment" to Mars; outside of those windows of opportunity, it is not cost effective to launch stuff to Mars. So, how many launches can we make per year ? 2, 3 ? Another issue is that we need to have better robots (human guided) to help us build on site; we can't just do it aboard big caterpillar bulldozers. Anyway, looking at their timeline, it looks like a rehash of Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy.
Watched code never compiles.
Maximilien wrote:
The big issue is that we need to time the delivery with the proper "alignment" to Mars; outside of those windows of opportunity, it is not cost effective to launch stuff to Mars.
So, how many launches can we make per year ? 2, 3 ?Launch windows[^] to Mars occur about once in two years. Of course you can make multiple launches during each window.