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AndyInUK wrote:
I am not talking about your annual leave
I get 23 Days Annual Leave + 8 Bank/Public Holidays. I would rather have these 8 days at my discretion rather than based on some centuries old belief system.
AndyInUK wrote:
But are you comparing these days with Christmas?
No, xmas is a religious holiday. I would rather not take them as I would be implicitly supporting an out dated and divisive belief. Better that I take holidays that are not imposed by one section or another based on deity worship, or a wizard's decision.
AndyInUK wrote:
Good luck with that..
We got May Day out of the buggers back in the 70's. Time for a few more.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I would rather have these 8 days at my discretion rather than based on some centuries old belief system
While this sounds like a good and simple idea, it might be complicated to implement it. Would these days be "normal" leave days, e.g. can your employer also prevent you from taking then whenever you want, but force you to take them when he wants ? Bank holidays have two advantages : everybody takes them at the same time, making the annoyance of everything closed balanced with the fact that everybody's annoyed at the same time, (and available at the same time, making party organisation easier), and employers have no choice but let you leave. This is not the case with annual leave days.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I would rather have these 8 days at my discretion rather than based on some centuries old belief system
While this sounds like a good and simple idea, it might be complicated to implement it. Would these days be "normal" leave days, e.g. can your employer also prevent you from taking then whenever you want, but force you to take them when he wants ? Bank holidays have two advantages : everybody takes them at the same time, making the annoyance of everything closed balanced with the fact that everybody's annoyed at the same time, (and available at the same time, making party organisation easier), and employers have no choice but let you leave. This is not the case with annual leave days.
Rage wrote:
employers have no choice but let you leave
Errm, see my post above. "Bank" holidays aren't a statutory obligation on an employer.
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Rage wrote:
employers have no choice but let you leave
Errm, see my post above. "Bank" holidays aren't a statutory obligation on an employer.
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Rage wrote:
employers have no choice but let you leave
Errm, see my post above. "Bank" holidays aren't a statutory obligation on an employer.
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In the US they are.
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I think there should be staggered weekends. People with children should get different weekends to those without. Stop the childless getting annoyed by kids everywhere on their days off.
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See Above. They are Free Days now, I just want the right to take them at my discretion. I get 31 paid days off a year, but 11 of them are compulsorily taken at set times, and I would rather not have this imposed upon me.
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Why not approach your employer and propose such an arrangement for yourself?
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But as this has arisen from Dave complaining about Bank Holidays here in the UK, the UK rules are the ones we have to consider.
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A loss of less than 2% of the working-days.. I would be surprised if that had actual consequences. An unusually big flu epidemic would kill more days. Looking at a nice table of average working hours per week by country actually gives me the impression that working less is good for the economy, strange as it may sound.
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You're such a prejudiced pig.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinNo, I am an Atheist who is fed up having to Kow Tow to the requirements of people who do not share my world view. A prejudiced pig is someone who expects me to take time off because of some religious observance that they have been brainwashed and abused as a child into believing, regardless of the sensibilities of others.
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No, I am an Atheist who is fed up having to Kow Tow to the requirements of people who do not share my world view. A prejudiced pig is someone who expects me to take time off because of some religious observance that they have been brainwashed and abused as a child into believing, regardless of the sensibilities of others.
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Isn't that the requirement of living in any society? Any community? How is it making you Kow Tow (or hurting you) to take some time off work? It's not like you have to observe the particular religious practices of the days in question. Your constant railing against anything religious is the very definition of prejudice. Replace the word religious in your posts with gay or nigger and you'd get the point.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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I believe that I should not have to take time off work at prescribed dates due to Bronze Age Levantine Peasants, Crypto-Communist Upstarts or Mediaeval Fascists. I should take the days off when I want them off. OK, I would take xmas off cos there is good telly and my mum would be upset if I didn't turn up for a feed, but other than that I would like the freedom to go on holiday at any time and not have to pay a surcharge for taking the child with me cos it was that time of the year they nailed a hippy to a tree. On the other hand I know a lot of people do believe in the pixies and that is why we get so many of these days, but are they really necessary? I want Midsummer's Day to be a holiday, and Trafalgar Day, what of May 4th... If we stood firm and demanded new inclusive holidays in exchange for the divisive religious ones we would all be happy! (Except the French, they would not like Trafalgar Day).
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
I should not have to take time off work at prescribed dates due to Bronze Age Levantine Peasants, Crypto-Communist Upstarts or Mediaeval Fascists.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I want ...Trafalgar Day...
So mandating a few days off according ancient religious calendars is bad, but according to your own personal hagiography good?
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Isn't that the requirement of living in any society? Any community? How is it making you Kow Tow (or hurting you) to take some time off work? It's not like you have to observe the particular religious practices of the days in question. Your constant railing against anything religious is the very definition of prejudice. Replace the word religious in your posts with gay or nigger and you'd get the point.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinBeing Gay or, as you so finely put it, a Nigger, is a genetic condition, of which you have no control. Religion is a choice, you are not born into any religion, you are abused and conditioned by parents and associated wizards into believing that crap. Just because you were born in Ireland, doesn't make you a Catholic, being born in Israel doesn't make you a Jew and being born in Pakistan doesn't make you a Muslim.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
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Being Gay or, as you so finely put it, a Nigger, is a genetic condition, of which you have no control. Religion is a choice, you are not born into any religion, you are abused and conditioned by parents and associated wizards into believing that crap. Just because you were born in Ireland, doesn't make you a Catholic, being born in Israel doesn't make you a Jew and being born in Pakistan doesn't make you a Muslim.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
And being an asshole like you is also a choice.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I should not have to take time off work at prescribed dates due to Bronze Age Levantine Peasants, Crypto-Communist Upstarts or Mediaeval Fascists.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I want ...Trafalgar Day...
So mandating a few days off according ancient religious calendars is bad, but according to your own personal hagiography good?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I do not impose religion upon anybody, but there were Christian and Jews and Atheists fighting on our ships to help defeat Napoleon.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
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And being an asshole like you is also a choice.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
I do not impose religion upon anybody, but there were Christian and Jews and Atheists fighting on our ships to help defeat Napoleon.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
But you do want to impose the idea of a jingoistic celebration, I find that as abhorrent as have religionistisms force on me.
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So you're pushing for a national asshole day, then? /edit/ I meant "not pushing"
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
I believe that I should not have to take time off work at prescribed dates due to Bronze Age Levantine Peasants, Crypto-Communist Upstarts or Mediaeval Fascists. I should take the days off when I want them off. OK, I would take xmas off cos there is good telly and my mum would be upset if I didn't turn up for a feed, but other than that I would like the freedom to go on holiday at any time and not have to pay a surcharge for taking the child with me cos it was that time of the year they nailed a hippy to a tree. On the other hand I know a lot of people do believe in the pixies and that is why we get so many of these days, but are they really necessary? I want Midsummer's Day to be a holiday, and Trafalgar Day, what of May 4th... If we stood firm and demanded new inclusive holidays in exchange for the divisive religious ones we would all be happy! (Except the French, they would not like Trafalgar Day).
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
I should take the days off when I want them off.
You should move to a island or a perhaps another planet where you are the sole inhabitant. For the rest of humanity which are stuck dealing with other people a great deal of time regulating holidays provides a number of benefits. For example insuring that the majority of employers give at least some time off. Or perhaps you were unaware that there are many people who get no paid time off at all?
Dalek Dave wrote:
but other than that I would like the freedom to go on holiday at any time and not have to pay a surcharge for taking the child with me cos it was that time of the year they nailed a hippy to a tree.
Not sure what you mean specifically but if you are referring to higher travel prices at holidays the reason for that is based only on economic principles - similar to the ones that provide you with a paycheck.
Dalek Dave wrote:
but are they really necessary?
Doctors aren't really "necessary" since most people especially young ones often remain healthy for a long time. But oddly enough many people, not just those that need a doctor, like having them around. Holidays are similar.
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A loss of less than 2% of the working-days.. I would be surprised if that had actual consequences. An unusually big flu epidemic would kill more days. Looking at a nice table of average working hours per week by country actually gives me the impression that working less is good for the economy, strange as it may sound.
harold aptroot wrote:
A loss of less than 2% of the working-days.. I would be surprised if that had actual consequences.
I don't know where you live but where I live adding an official holiday costs real measurable money because the government workers get it off. Far as I can recall the last two proposed holidays where I live were refused specifically because of that.
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harold aptroot wrote:
A loss of less than 2% of the working-days.. I would be surprised if that had actual consequences.
I don't know where you live but where I live adding an official holiday costs real measurable money because the government workers get it off. Far as I can recall the last two proposed holidays where I live were refused specifically because of that.