Which version of VS11?
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OK, my company is looking to purchase VS11. In the past they have always just gotten us the basic Pro version (no MSDN) by default. This year they are seriously considering getting us the MSDN subscription and asked us to make a case for getting Premium or Ultimate as well. I've gone to the comparison chart here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compare[^] But since I've never used anything but Pro, a lot of the features are foreign to me. We are a small team in a large company and we don't use anything TFS related. We are primarily a C++ shop (largely MFC/ATL/COM) with a very small amount of .NET but very little UI development and very little database or web development. So, for those of you who have Premium or Ultimate, what would you REALLY miss if you were dropped down to Pro? and Why?
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OK, my company is looking to purchase VS11. In the past they have always just gotten us the basic Pro version (no MSDN) by default. This year they are seriously considering getting us the MSDN subscription and asked us to make a case for getting Premium or Ultimate as well. I've gone to the comparison chart here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compare[^] But since I've never used anything but Pro, a lot of the features are foreign to me. We are a small team in a large company and we don't use anything TFS related. We are primarily a C++ shop (largely MFC/ATL/COM) with a very small amount of .NET but very little UI development and very little database or web development. So, for those of you who have Premium or Ultimate, what would you REALLY miss if you were dropped down to Pro? and Why?
I use VS Ultimate. I would miss the Architecture functionality (especially the ability to generate dependency graphs) and the Code Coverage in the tests, but not enough to worry about them.
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OK, my company is looking to purchase VS11. In the past they have always just gotten us the basic Pro version (no MSDN) by default. This year they are seriously considering getting us the MSDN subscription and asked us to make a case for getting Premium or Ultimate as well. I've gone to the comparison chart here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compare[^] But since I've never used anything but Pro, a lot of the features are foreign to me. We are a small team in a large company and we don't use anything TFS related. We are primarily a C++ shop (largely MFC/ATL/COM) with a very small amount of .NET but very little UI development and very little database or web development. So, for those of you who have Premium or Ultimate, what would you REALLY miss if you were dropped down to Pro? and Why?
A few years back I had the VS2010 Ultimate. Don't recall how it was justified. While it was kewl and the added tools (like intellitrace) were neat, I really did not get much benefit from it. Could be learning curve, but either way the price difference makes it near impossible to justify. I currently have Pro and the only 'issue' is really the minimalness of the MSDN subscriptions. While it 'mostly' covers everything, there are things missing. But honestly its not a big deal. I think by your description you are fine with Pro but I could be missing something that I forgot about.
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A few years back I had the VS2010 Ultimate. Don't recall how it was justified. While it was kewl and the added tools (like intellitrace) were neat, I really did not get much benefit from it. Could be learning curve, but either way the price difference makes it near impossible to justify. I currently have Pro and the only 'issue' is really the minimalness of the MSDN subscriptions. While it 'mostly' covers everything, there are things missing. But honestly its not a big deal. I think by your description you are fine with Pro but I could be missing something that I forgot about.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
minimalness of the MSDN subscriptions. While it 'mostly' covers everything, there are things missing.
Can you expand on this bit? I downloaded the MSDN subscription comparison spreadsheet as well but nothing jumped out at me. What is the Pro version missing that you would use if you had a higher sub?
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
minimalness of the MSDN subscriptions. While it 'mostly' covers everything, there are things missing.
Can you expand on this bit? I downloaded the MSDN subscription comparison spreadsheet as well but nothing jumped out at me. What is the Pro version missing that you would use if you had a higher sub?
It could be that they have changed it. And that's actually the thing is that the MSDN subscription access can change, AFAIK. The ones that stood out specifically were that I do not have fully access to Office and Visio. I know with the Ultimate I had anything and everything under the sun (so it appeared... never saw anything I did not have access to). In my case our company has more of a site lic (I think) for Office products. Visio is per seat but I don't need it right now. Also, even if Office were not provided site lic then the cost justification still would not work out (Office is not that expensive). The things that mattered (IMO), were all there. For example most OS versions are providing 10 keys and I have access to VS 2010 and 2012. There are quite a few other things that I really don't care about (or know exactly what they are for) as well.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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It could be that they have changed it. And that's actually the thing is that the MSDN subscription access can change, AFAIK. The ones that stood out specifically were that I do not have fully access to Office and Visio. I know with the Ultimate I had anything and everything under the sun (so it appeared... never saw anything I did not have access to). In my case our company has more of a site lic (I think) for Office products. Visio is per seat but I don't need it right now. Also, even if Office were not provided site lic then the cost justification still would not work out (Office is not that expensive). The things that mattered (IMO), were all there. For example most OS versions are providing 10 keys and I have access to VS 2010 and 2012. There are quite a few other things that I really don't care about (or know exactly what they are for) as well.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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OK, my company is looking to purchase VS11. In the past they have always just gotten us the basic Pro version (no MSDN) by default. This year they are seriously considering getting us the MSDN subscription and asked us to make a case for getting Premium or Ultimate as well. I've gone to the comparison chart here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compare[^] But since I've never used anything but Pro, a lot of the features are foreign to me. We are a small team in a large company and we don't use anything TFS related. We are primarily a C++ shop (largely MFC/ATL/COM) with a very small amount of .NET but very little UI development and very little database or web development. So, for those of you who have Premium or Ultimate, what would you REALLY miss if you were dropped down to Pro? and Why?
I think that VS Premium is the version that the most users going to use it. And isn't heavey. Ultimate has all features (very cool).
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OK, my company is looking to purchase VS11. In the past they have always just gotten us the basic Pro version (no MSDN) by default. This year they are seriously considering getting us the MSDN subscription and asked us to make a case for getting Premium or Ultimate as well. I've gone to the comparison chart here: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compare[^] But since I've never used anything but Pro, a lot of the features are foreign to me. We are a small team in a large company and we don't use anything TFS related. We are primarily a C++ shop (largely MFC/ATL/COM) with a very small amount of .NET but very little UI development and very little database or web development. So, for those of you who have Premium or Ultimate, what would you REALLY miss if you were dropped down to Pro? and Why?
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