Trophy Hunting
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
While I mostly agree with you, one bit is not quite true.
d@nish wrote:
Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun".
Polecats, ferrets, foxes and lots more preditors have been known to hunt and kill for no reason that can be thought of as survival. I have no real problem with hunting as long as you are going to eat what you catch. Shooting Lions and other big cats is just madness.
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While I mostly agree with you, one bit is not quite true.
d@nish wrote:
Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun".
Polecats, ferrets, foxes and lots more preditors have been known to hunt and kill for no reason that can be thought of as survival. I have no real problem with hunting as long as you are going to eat what you catch. Shooting Lions and other big cats is just madness.
The animals you have mentioned are very possessive about their areas. They may tend to do that to intruders. We can't expect them to have sign boards like "Trespassers will be prosecuted executed." :) You might be true here. But then again, it's an equal fight in a sense that one of them does use sophisticated unnatural weapons.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
As a matter of principle, I favor hunting. That principle is the one that states that a man should be able to support himself and those dependent upon him without interference. But along with that I believe that one has a moral duty to take only what he can use, and if that requires killing another being, every possible scrap should be used. To kill an animal for its hide or talons or trophy rack of antlers, and let the rest go to waste is morally wrong. It's also disrespectful of the animal. I've not personally ever gone hunting - there's never been the need. But I've maintained a hunting license since I was old enough to have one, simply because the fees pay for conservation efforts that I think are important. But if the need ever arises, I know how to make garments from hides, and how to tan hides using the brain tissues, and how to make buttons for my garment from the antlers, and how to use the sinews for thread with which to sew the seams - I've done that. And in doing those things, I've given thanks to the beast that provided those materials for my use. To destroy any animal unnecessarily, to end a life for no reason better than to decorate a wall with a trophy, is to me a sacrilege unspeakable. Of course, I am also a hypocrite to some extent. I will happily shoot a pigeon anytime, because they are filthy, disease-ridden pests that aren't native to this place, and crowd out native species. And, in certain locations where crops are being destroyed by an over-population of rabbits, I'll gladly shoot them or do my best to hit them with a vehicle. But that's never done in fun, only because it needs doing, regrettably.
Will Rogers never met me.
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While I mostly agree with you, one bit is not quite true.
d@nish wrote:
Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun".
Polecats, ferrets, foxes and lots more preditors have been known to hunt and kill for no reason that can be thought of as survival. I have no real problem with hunting as long as you are going to eat what you catch. Shooting Lions and other big cats is just madness.
RCoate wrote:
Polecats, ferrets, foxes and lots more preditors have been known to hunt and kill for no reason that can be thought of as survival.
True, but it's still instinctive behaviour -- "That's food, so I have to catch it!" -- much like that of domestic cats, which kill lots of small animals, but only eat food from a can, and even dogs, which still chase and chew things that move, even though the killer instinct has been largely bred out of them. That's a long chalk from "I can prove to myself that I'm tough by using a killing machine to murder domesticated animals from a long distance and at no risk to myself". I suppose we should be glad that they do that, rather than prey on women or children, but it's a reasonably safe bet that working for such people would not be fun.
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
Personal choice? I just came back from a hunt this weekend. I harvested a kudu cow as I'm purely interested in the meat for dried wors and biltong and general consumption (meat is healthier than the steroid injected stuff you buy in the shops). There were a few prize bulls in the herd but to shoot that just for the sake of haveing a head against your wall? Never. I felt sad but comfotable in the knowledge that she was not packed into a truck with 50 other animals to be transported through traffic and noise to an abbatoir where they are further stuffed around before being slaugtered... The rest of the animals were not spooked by a gun shot as I hunt with a bow. In the same breath there was another group of hunters... they came there reaking of booze, took booze out with them, wounded an animal because they "forgot" to take the practise arrowheads of. People like that unfortunately give us all a bad name.
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Personal choice? I just came back from a hunt this weekend. I harvested a kudu cow as I'm purely interested in the meat for dried wors and biltong and general consumption (meat is healthier than the steroid injected stuff you buy in the shops). There were a few prize bulls in the herd but to shoot that just for the sake of haveing a head against your wall? Never. I felt sad but comfotable in the knowledge that she was not packed into a truck with 50 other animals to be transported through traffic and noise to an abbatoir where they are further stuffed around before being slaugtered... The rest of the animals were not spooked by a gun shot as I hunt with a bow. In the same breath there was another group of hunters... they came there reaking of booze, took booze out with them, wounded an animal because they "forgot" to take the practise arrowheads of. People like that unfortunately give us all a bad name.
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Will Rogers never met me.
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RCoate wrote:
Polecats, ferrets, foxes and lots more preditors have been known to hunt and kill for no reason that can be thought of as survival.
True, but it's still instinctive behaviour -- "That's food, so I have to catch it!" -- much like that of domestic cats, which kill lots of small animals, but only eat food from a can, and even dogs, which still chase and chew things that move, even though the killer instinct has been largely bred out of them. That's a long chalk from "I can prove to myself that I'm tough by using a killing machine to murder domesticated animals from a long distance and at no risk to myself". I suppose we should be glad that they do that, rather than prey on women or children, but it's a reasonably safe bet that working for such people would not be fun.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
Canned hunting is still a problem in southern Africa. One of the worst incidents that was covered by the press in SA many years ago involved heart surgeon Christiaan Barnard. He'd been on a hunting getaway with some friends in Botswana. Frustrated by the lack of game, they chanced upon a small pride of lion. To satiate their lust for blood (men, that is, not the animals) they decided it would be really funny to tether a cub to a Land Rover and drag it around the bush until it was dead. You have it to give it to them: it took courage to do that.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68). "I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
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Personal choice? I just came back from a hunt this weekend. I harvested a kudu cow as I'm purely interested in the meat for dried wors and biltong and general consumption (meat is healthier than the steroid injected stuff you buy in the shops). There were a few prize bulls in the herd but to shoot that just for the sake of haveing a head against your wall? Never. I felt sad but comfotable in the knowledge that she was not packed into a truck with 50 other animals to be transported through traffic and noise to an abbatoir where they are further stuffed around before being slaugtered... The rest of the animals were not spooked by a gun shot as I hunt with a bow. In the same breath there was another group of hunters... they came there reaking of booze, took booze out with them, wounded an animal because they "forgot" to take the practise arrowheads of. People like that unfortunately give us all a bad name.
I am totally fine with hunting to eat. Although the battle ground still is uneven IMHO. The pictures and reports are far from hunt to eat. They are more like torment and hunt for personal pleasure.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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Canned hunting is still a problem in southern Africa. One of the worst incidents that was covered by the press in SA many years ago involved heart surgeon Christiaan Barnard. He'd been on a hunting getaway with some friends in Botswana. Frustrated by the lack of game, they chanced upon a small pride of lion. To satiate their lust for blood (men, that is, not the animals) they decided it would be really funny to tether a cub to a Land Rover and drag it around the bush until it was dead. You have it to give it to them: it took courage to do that.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68). "I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
PHS241 wrote:
it took courage to do that
[sarcasm] Yes sure. It takes courage to face an animal while all you have is gun and ammo and a Land Rover to run away. [/sarcasm] Two words: sadistic pleasure.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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I am totally fine with hunting to eat. Although the battle ground still is uneven IMHO. The pictures and reports are far from hunt to eat. They are more like torment and hunt for personal pleasure.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
I grew up with an "eat what you kill" mentality, and still stick with that today. I have no problem with hunting deer, rabbit, etc.. for food. I don't even have a problem with a deer hunter bragging about the size of the rack on one that he takes so long as the meat is not going to waste. At least give it to somebody else to eat. But I agree, I despise "sport" hunting. Hunting for trophies only is meaningless and IMHO, somewhat pathetic. Especially since most of the common trophy animals are useless for food for most people anyway.
Common sense is not a gift it's a curse. Those of us who have it have to deal with those that don't.... Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
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Personal choice? I just came back from a hunt this weekend. I harvested a kudu cow as I'm purely interested in the meat for dried wors and biltong and general consumption (meat is healthier than the steroid injected stuff you buy in the shops). There were a few prize bulls in the herd but to shoot that just for the sake of haveing a head against your wall? Never. I felt sad but comfotable in the knowledge that she was not packed into a truck with 50 other animals to be transported through traffic and noise to an abbatoir where they are further stuffed around before being slaugtered... The rest of the animals were not spooked by a gun shot as I hunt with a bow. In the same breath there was another group of hunters... they came there reaking of booze, took booze out with them, wounded an animal because they "forgot" to take the practise arrowheads of. People like that unfortunately give us all a bad name.
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As a matter of principle, I favor hunting. That principle is the one that states that a man should be able to support himself and those dependent upon him without interference. But along with that I believe that one has a moral duty to take only what he can use, and if that requires killing another being, every possible scrap should be used. To kill an animal for its hide or talons or trophy rack of antlers, and let the rest go to waste is morally wrong. It's also disrespectful of the animal. I've not personally ever gone hunting - there's never been the need. But I've maintained a hunting license since I was old enough to have one, simply because the fees pay for conservation efforts that I think are important. But if the need ever arises, I know how to make garments from hides, and how to tan hides using the brain tissues, and how to make buttons for my garment from the antlers, and how to use the sinews for thread with which to sew the seams - I've done that. And in doing those things, I've given thanks to the beast that provided those materials for my use. To destroy any animal unnecessarily, to end a life for no reason better than to decorate a wall with a trophy, is to me a sacrilege unspeakable. Of course, I am also a hypocrite to some extent. I will happily shoot a pigeon anytime, because they are filthy, disease-ridden pests that aren't native to this place, and crowd out native species. And, in certain locations where crops are being destroyed by an over-population of rabbits, I'll gladly shoot them or do my best to hit them with a vehicle. But that's never done in fun, only because it needs doing, regrettably.
Will Rogers never met me.
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No prob. I feel like if ones going to eat meat, might as well know where it came from, how it lived, how it died, and do some good for the ecosystem (around me there is often an overpopulation of invasive species, so hunting can help native animals, too.) I don't eat land meat or hunt, and have no problems with those that do (most of my family hunts). I have major issues with trophy hunting, which should be renamed sport killing.
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No prob. I feel like if ones going to eat meat, might as well know where it came from, how it lived, how it died, and do some good for the ecosystem (around me there is often an overpopulation of invasive species, so hunting can help native animals, too.) I don't eat land meat or hunt, and have no problems with those that do (most of my family hunts). I have major issues with trophy hunting, which should be renamed sport killing.
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(Although the links are SFW, one may find them disturbing) Read this[^] article about hunting animals for fun. I, for one, am disgusted by this. Here's[^] another facebook page with images of, IMHO, sick people. I don't really understand what pleasure one can get by doing this? What kind of "sport" is this? Then, there is another set of people who argue that hunting is a part of wild life. So this too isn't really bad. To me, this is stupid. Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun". I think the evolution went all wrong. :|
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
d@nish wrote:
Errr...it is of course much better to hunt for "fun" than necessity. For starters because those that hunt for fun don't do it as often.
d@nish wrote:
Wild animals hunt for food or to save themselves. They do not hunt for "fun".
Nonsense. I suggest that you educate yourself. I would suspect that all larger/smarter mammal canivores engage in play activity that is specifically hunting. Felines do it all the time even as adults. I have seen examples of Orcas, dogs and weasels engaging is similar activities. I would suspect that omnivores do it as well and probably specifically some of the primates.
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The animals you have mentioned are very possessive about their areas. They may tend to do that to intruders. We can't expect them to have sign boards like "Trespassers will be prosecuted executed." :) You might be true here. But then again, it's an equal fight in a sense that one of them does use sophisticated unnatural weapons.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
d@nish wrote:
it's an equal fight in a sense that one of them does use sophisticated unnatural weapons.
You think that a mouse being attacked by a house cat or even larger cat considers the cat to be armed with "natural" weapons? And the "natural" weapon of humans is our intelligence. Which means using tools including weapons. Just as chimpanese learn how to hunt termites by using tools.