It was a dark day in history yesterday...
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At least in Belgium. A woman was charged with accessory to rape of 5 underaged girls in 1989. She was sentenced to 5 years of jail, but was released early in 1992. 4 years later she's sentenced to 30 years of jail for: kidnapping, locking up, starving, torture and accessory to rape and resulting death of 4 out of 6 underaged girls. (the last two were saved) Yesterday she was released. There are no words for this.
V.
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At least in Belgium. A woman was charged with accessory to rape of 5 underaged girls in 1989. She was sentenced to 5 years of jail, but was released early in 1992. 4 years later she's sentenced to 30 years of jail for: kidnapping, locking up, starving, torture and accessory to rape and resulting death of 4 out of 6 underaged girls. (the last two were saved) Yesterday she was released. There are no words for this.
V.
That is pathetic. X| :thumbsdown:
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At least in Belgium. A woman was charged with accessory to rape of 5 underaged girls in 1989. She was sentenced to 5 years of jail, but was released early in 1992. 4 years later she's sentenced to 30 years of jail for: kidnapping, locking up, starving, torture and accessory to rape and resulting death of 4 out of 6 underaged girls. (the last two were saved) Yesterday she was released. There are no words for this.
V.
That's the law. She was in jail for 60% of that time. If she is no thread, the rest of the jail sentence is converted probation. There is a similar law in Germany. But you can get involved and turn political interest in Belgium to important stuff rather than - regulating the sort of trunks allowed in the swimming area (yes, that is regulated in Belgium!) - insisting on one of 3-4 languages to be the only spoken(!). - limiting the amount of foreign beer to be sold in pubs (max 25%). - ... But Belgium politicians are more active in the battle between the different ethnic groups (french, german, netherlands, flemish).
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That's the law. She was in jail for 60% of that time. If she is no thread, the rest of the jail sentence is converted probation. There is a similar law in Germany. But you can get involved and turn political interest in Belgium to important stuff rather than - regulating the sort of trunks allowed in the swimming area (yes, that is regulated in Belgium!) - insisting on one of 3-4 languages to be the only spoken(!). - limiting the amount of foreign beer to be sold in pubs (max 25%). - ... But Belgium politicians are more active in the battle between the different ethnic groups (french, german, netherlands, flemish).
regards Torsten When I'm not working
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That's the law. She was in jail for 60% of that time. If she is no thread, the rest of the jail sentence is converted probation. There is a similar law in Germany. But you can get involved and turn political interest in Belgium to important stuff rather than - regulating the sort of trunks allowed in the swimming area (yes, that is regulated in Belgium!) - insisting on one of 3-4 languages to be the only spoken(!). - limiting the amount of foreign beer to be sold in pubs (max 25%). - ... But Belgium politicians are more active in the battle between the different ethnic groups (french, german, netherlands, flemish).
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Edit: now I figured it. The "Thread" :laugh: *You're That's the law. I did not invent it. But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
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Edit: now I figured it. The "Thread" :laugh: *You're That's the law. I did not invent it. But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
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because: 0. he will never again have a social stable life. especially if he caused the death of 4 children. 1. most criminals are repeat offenders (believe me, i live in Brazil, here we listen to things like "...he is being arrested by the tenth time...") 2. in the specific case of this thread, she deserved capital punishment. the rape of 6 underaged girls and death of 4? I do not want to live on the same planet as her. she has to leave. :mad: 3. we are too soft with those criminals. we need to go back to the old empires methods. ten thousand lashes in public square for each girl. :mad: and yes, lists start in 0.
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
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That's the law. She was in jail for 60% of that time. If she is no thread, the rest of the jail sentence is converted probation. There is a similar law in Germany. But you can get involved and turn political interest in Belgium to important stuff rather than - regulating the sort of trunks allowed in the swimming area (yes, that is regulated in Belgium!) - insisting on one of 3-4 languages to be the only spoken(!). - limiting the amount of foreign beer to be sold in pubs (max 25%). - ... But Belgium politicians are more active in the battle between the different ethnic groups (french, german, netherlands, flemish).
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TorstenH. wrote:
If she is no thread,
If she is no threat
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Edit: now I figured it. The "Thread" :laugh: *You're That's the law. I did not invent it. But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
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On principle I agree with you but her crimes are so bad I believe she should never be allowed to set a foot out of jail anymore. Further more under normal circumstances releasing her early would save the state money (no more paying for her in jail) however in this case it is costing the state (us) an incredibly large amount of money (the area around the monastery is now in need of protection by the cops since the state is by law responsible for her safety). Further more she isn't allowed to leave the monastery ever for the rest of her live. So she is trading one prison for another with the difference that it costs us 10 times as much.
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TorstenH. wrote:
If she is no thread,
If she is no threat
Ah :laugh: ok, yes. Too much coding, now I see.
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because: 0. he will never again have a social stable life. especially if he caused the death of 4 children. 1. most criminals are repeat offenders (believe me, i live in Brazil, here we listen to things like "...he is being arrested by the tenth time...") 2. in the specific case of this thread, she deserved capital punishment. the rape of 6 underaged girls and death of 4? I do not want to live on the same planet as her. she has to leave. :mad: 3. we are too soft with those criminals. we need to go back to the old empires methods. ten thousand lashes in public square for each girl. :mad: and yes, lists start in 0.
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
and yes, lists start in 0.
:thumbsup: She was a sidekick in this thing. I don't know much about that case - it's too long ago and I did not spent much attention to it at that time. But as this is a highly critical watched thing too release here from jail, the decision makers will have made it not easy.
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Edit: now I figured it. The "Thread" :laugh: *You're That's the law. I did not invent it. But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
regards Torsten When I'm not working
TorstenH. wrote:
But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
In principle I agree, but in this case it is a clear no,no. if you need one objective reason: she already had her chance in 1992 when she was released early for a similar crime. Would Breivik also have the chance to be released early you think?
V.
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because: 0. he will never again have a social stable life. especially if he caused the death of 4 children. 1. most criminals are repeat offenders (believe me, i live in Brazil, here we listen to things like "...he is being arrested by the tenth time...") 2. in the specific case of this thread, she deserved capital punishment. the rape of 6 underaged girls and death of 4? I do not want to live on the same planet as her. she has to leave. :mad: 3. we are too soft with those criminals. we need to go back to the old empires methods. ten thousand lashes in public square for each girl. :mad: and yes, lists start in 0.
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
It is an easy conclusion to call for the death penalty. At what point do you introduce the death penalty? Only for killing minors or more than one person? As soon as there is a threshold, what do you do about the person who kills someone a day after the age limit? Or only kills one person but assaults hundreds? At what point do you decide this one lives or dies? ANY murder should result in the death penalty? What about a mercy killing? This is a big issue at the moment here in the UK. It is still murder, the pre-meditated taking of a life, so should they be hung as well? Even with an absolute defensible limit, how much evidence is needed? The number of acquittals and retrials occurring for people found guilty of multiple murder 10,20, even 30 years ago is worrying. What if these men and women had been executed for the crimes we now know for certain they did not commit? The taking of a life is to me morally indefensible. It takes a far, far stronger man to chose the harder option of keeping and protecting these people. Protecting us from them and them from us. Keep them in jail until they die and remind them every day why they are there.
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and yes, lists start in 0.
:thumbsup: She was a sidekick in this thing. I don't know much about that case - it's too long ago and I did not spent much attention to it at that time. But as this is a highly critical watched thing too release here from jail, the decision makers will have made it not easy.
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When I wrote my post, i was aware she was a sidekick, mas o que eu acho que deveria ser feito com o autor principal do crime não é KSS. even for the soapbox.
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
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TorstenH. wrote:
But serious: if someone would get out of jail after 10 years and is in jail making a good progress - why not release him after 6 years and get'em back to a social stable life?
In principle I agree, but in this case it is a clear no,no. if you need one objective reason: she already had her chance in 1992 when she was released early for a similar crime. Would Breivik also have the chance to be released early you think?
V.
Breivik was sentenced according to human rights to jail + custody. the second case here was on the same crime. This already shows how it was seen first.
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Breivik was sentenced according to human rights to jail + custody. the second case here was on the same crime. This already shows how it was seen first.
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It is an easy conclusion to call for the death penalty. At what point do you introduce the death penalty? Only for killing minors or more than one person? As soon as there is a threshold, what do you do about the person who kills someone a day after the age limit? Or only kills one person but assaults hundreds? At what point do you decide this one lives or dies? ANY murder should result in the death penalty? What about a mercy killing? This is a big issue at the moment here in the UK. It is still murder, the pre-meditated taking of a life, so should they be hung as well? Even with an absolute defensible limit, how much evidence is needed? The number of acquittals and retrials occurring for people found guilty of multiple murder 10,20, even 30 years ago is worrying. What if these men and women had been executed for the crimes we now know for certain they did not commit? The taking of a life is to me morally indefensible. It takes a far, far stronger man to chose the harder option of keeping and protecting these people. Protecting us from them and them from us. Keep them in jail until they die and remind them every day why they are there.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
You have excellent points. My thoughts are that any hideous crime (i include rape, murder, torture, etc) should receive the death penalty. in the case of murder, i don't consider mercy killing as murder as long as it is done by a doctor, with the consent of the victim and at least one reliable witness. killing in self defense also isn't murder. only, and I emphasize this only, crimes that are supported by visual evidence or irrefutable evidence should be punished with the death penalty. as the way it should be applied, I think the person should choose. and I think she should have the option to deliver the rest of his life to hard labor, thus avoiding the death penalty. in fact, I think this would be a better punishment than death. put murderers, rapists, etc. to do the dirty work that nobody else wants to do. (I'm an awesome debater, I changed my mind in the middle of the debate :-O )
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
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TorstenH. wrote:
This already shows how it was seen first.
Sorry, not following here... ? :confused:
V.
She was sentenced by court with "extenuating circumstances". That's why it is possible for her to be released from jail now. Without that she would have had to go for the complete sentence. I can't find a reason in the press why she is released now. Would be interesting to know why.
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At least in Belgium. A woman was charged with accessory to rape of 5 underaged girls in 1989. She was sentenced to 5 years of jail, but was released early in 1992. 4 years later she's sentenced to 30 years of jail for: kidnapping, locking up, starving, torture and accessory to rape and resulting death of 4 out of 6 underaged girls. (the last two were saved) Yesterday she was released. There are no words for this.
V.
I bet she'll be popular with the new neighbours when they find out who she is. Not that I would encourage vigilantism, but hopefully they will make her remaining life as short and brutish as she made her victims.
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