What exactly doesn't work?
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
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you don't have to do anything. If you don't want to buy Windows or Apple. Then don't buy it. You can use any of the free Linux operating systems. If you want to use a new product, whatever it might be that interests you about it, then buy it. Its as simple as that. Can you say that everything you own is critical to your existence?? Computers and operating systems are very much in the optional luxury category. You only buy it if you can afford and you want some entertainment that it offers.
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What scares me most is actualy the cables. I've been working on the PC side of custom communications protocols over the last 10 years. The only thing special about our applications is that they need to run uninterrupted for days. (Not so special is the unfortunate idea of why pay $10 for a component if someone else promises to do the same for $2?) The problems I've seen with cables even for interrupt protocol (i.e. very little data) solved by swapping out a USB cable, or adding or removing an USB hub from the chain are scary already. There's a significant chunk of transparent error recovery I've implemented - though this is limited both by lack of support of the protocols and the forgetfulness of bus powered devices. The thing is, it's probably getting worse for USB 3. Cable length and cable quality will matter much more at 2.5GHz.
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyBelieve it or not, the biggest factor I have seen with USB 3.0 is the connector. USB 3.0 includes de-emphasis and equalization in the spec for the electrical signal that overcomes issues with long cables fairly well. The thing that kills the reliability is the reflection from poor or loose connections -- and reflections are worse with short cables. What makes USB 2.0 so flakey is it's a shared, time-sliced bus that makes all devices on the same hub subject to the foibles of all other devices on the same hub. USB 3.0 on the other hand is not a shared bus. Each device has it's own separate bi-directional pair, so one device stalling the host doesn't affect any other device (at least not electically) -- so I'd actually expect USB 3.0 devices to be more reliable.
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It looks like, although there are a few minor pros, there are minor cons to balance them. I can't see a killer reason to upgrade from Win 7, or a killer reason to invest in Win 8 at all, to be honest, unless it is to be installed on a portable/touch device. I truly don't understand why the-interface-formerly-known-as-metro has been integrated into the PC-environment OS. I doubt very much that apple considered integrating iphone/ipad interface tech into their desktops/laptops, because it simply makes no sense. You might as well integrate car fuel-consumption management software in the OS, so that you only need a single installation disc to install on anything. Oh, well. Win 9 will probably be along before the next three busses get here, so I'll wait for that one, with the hope that more substantial improvements are made for the PC environment.
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Have you seen the latest OS X offerings from Apple? They have started making OS X more like the iPhone / iPad, including full screen applications, an application start screen that looks like the home screen of a iPhone / iPad. The worst thing is they added some hot keys that invoke these full screen switches so that if you accidentally hit the wrong key your whole screen changes into something else -- it's down right disconcerting and a real productivity killer. (Since I switch between my Mac and my PC frequently having different hot keys for different things is a real issue.) As far as I'm concerned Apple actually jumped the shark about the same time as Microsoft did...
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you don't have to do anything. If you don't want to buy Windows or Apple. Then don't buy it. You can use any of the free Linux operating systems. If you want to use a new product, whatever it might be that interests you about it, then buy it. Its as simple as that. Can you say that everything you own is critical to your existence?? Computers and operating systems are very much in the optional luxury category. You only buy it if you can afford and you want some entertainment that it offers.
rcarty wrote:
Computers and operating systems are very much in the optional luxury category
Whoa. I get the feeling that we live on different planets.
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The Pause Copy Button!! Sorry for the excitement, it's just that I've been waiting for it for twelve years now.
I use Xplorer2 (and its forerunner 2xExplorer before it), so I've had that for, oh, must be about twelve years, now. Oop! Sorry!
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As a professional I can see nothing wrong with Win 8. It is much faster and the apps we write run better on it. Marginally better, but better non the less. The huge brouhaha centers around the interface which seems to evoke strong reactions especially among desktop developers. The reality is that a shrinkwrapped app, like ours, simply installs as usual and its desktop presence is an icon within a tile. Click the tile and the app starts and runs. There is no need whatsoever to program to the whole-window "Metro" sytle if you don't want to. And there is a slew of new hot-keys that can help improve your productivity. Whether you adopt it personally, I think, depends on your user base. If you think your users will adopt it, then you should as well; if only to be able to support their use of your product. It's a good, working and workable product. Definitely no Vista. But it is not a "Must have". Hope this helps.
dg6yhw11 wrote:
Hope this helps.
Indeed it does. Cheers.
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- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyI have to say at this point that all versions of Windows since Windows 2000 have had support for NFC in its Smartcard Interface (WinSCard.dll). My take on Win8 is if you want the confusing Metronew interface apps go for it. Personally I'm waiting for Windows to fragment into 2 (again) aimed at tablets/phones and proper computers/desktops/laptops.
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It looks like, although there are a few minor pros, there are minor cons to balance them. I can't see a killer reason to upgrade from Win 7, or a killer reason to invest in Win 8 at all, to be honest, unless it is to be installed on a portable/touch device. I truly don't understand why the-interface-formerly-known-as-metro has been integrated into the PC-environment OS. I doubt very much that apple considered integrating iphone/ipad interface tech into their desktops/laptops, because it simply makes no sense. You might as well integrate car fuel-consumption management software in the OS, so that you only need a single installation disc to install on anything. Oh, well. Win 9 will probably be along before the next three busses get here, so I'll wait for that one, with the hope that more substantial improvements are made for the PC environment.
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TIFKAM awesome and yes MS has jumped the shark with TIFKAM, Im hanging out til Win 9. They have said they will release new OS's more often now with less feature changes to avoid the Vista debacle again, so I wouldn't be surprised if Win 9 comes out in 18 months time.
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Much better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
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"Pretty shiny task manager" is a vast understatement. Just google 'windows 8 taskmanager' and look at how really useful it is. This one feature improvement turned me from "Win8? No thanks, I'm fine with 7" to "Oh yeah, I'll be upgrading." Here's one of the better overviews of Win8 TM: http://www.vikitech.com/11257/walkthrough-windows-8-task-manager[^]
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Much better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
- Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY!
I don't use explorer.Interesting ... that's pretty hard to do on Windows. What do you use for a GUI for file/dir navigation?
-- Harvey
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The "lite" version[^] is free, and still blows Win Explorer a loooong way out of the water, but I don't know anyone who hasn't tried it then bought the full version. Replacing it with Winfile, even if the 8:3 filename thing has been cured, isn't really much of an option.
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