Is it worth to learn C++ ??
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If you learn C++, you implicitly learn C#, it took me an hour or so to start developing with C#.
Very True - I've not really looked at it (beyond skimming Tom's book) as we're not using VS.NET at work and I've no personal projects that would really benefit from it. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Thanks Anna, but..it's all about web developments? What about everything else? No one programs but about web? Erminio
Well C++ is the language of choice for the desktop. On the web front, ASP.NET is probably the way to go. SQL comes in useful on both fronts. As far as frameworks go for C++: MFC is old but OK, ATL is fine for writing COM components, and .NET is the framework Microsoft would like us to develop for in the future (regardless of language). There's also WTL (officially unsupported but good) for UI development using the same style as ATL. On the web front I'd learn ASP.NET, SQL, C#/Java and C++ (if you come accross C++ in web development, it'll be server-side stuff). The best thing to do is get hold of a copy of Visual Studio .NET (which has most of the frameworks/languages you'll need), and experiment. A good book or three helps too. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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I'll second that, how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#.
Norm Almond wrote: I'll second that, how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#. Ok, I'm sure you are correct that C++ was the basis for Dreamweaver, however I think that is a little harsh to say that it couldn't be done in C# (an example[^] ).
Nick Parker
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything. - Theodore Roosevelt
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I'm not kidding; I see that most of job requests are about using software, not programming, so I wonder if it's worth to learn a difficult language and MFC and so on when everybody ask for SQL or ASP and so on. Thanks for your answers. Erminio
There are too many programmer out there at the moment, or people who think they are. Yes most office jobs are about using sofware, such as email programes(Outlook, Notes), or word processors. Sounds like your thinking about getting into programming and getting a job as a programmer. Well its a tough out there as anyone that is looking for software development work is finding it tough, or tougher than 2 years ago. If you are, then C++ is a good start, as its considered the hardest of the main stream languages to master, and would stand you in good stead for learning C#, Java or Perl at a later date. Once you have some grounding in a language you then have to learn the libraries that people use to speed development e.g. for C++ - STL, MFC, ATL are all libraries with different uses, which take a while to really master. Don't belive those 'Learn X programming in 24 hours'. They may be a good start, but its a tiny part of the lurning curve.
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I'll second that, how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#.
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I'm not kidding; I see that most of job requests are about using software, not programming, so I wonder if it's worth to learn a difficult language and MFC and so on when everybody ask for SQL or ASP and so on. Thanks for your answers. Erminio
If management types were capable of understanding what C++ provides, it would be the language of choice for every serious application development effort, and they would be happy to pay the premium for good C/C++ programmers. Unfortunantly they don't, they never will, and we all must survive in a world of their making. Instead, management types are hyper-sensitive to marketing hype. That means that they will forever believe that VB or Java or C# brings magic pixie dust to the development effort. If I were back at the steep first steps of the learning curve, and wanted to have a career as a programmer (lol) , I would master the pixie dust technologies first. Then I would learn the real development technologies such as C/C++. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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It depends whether you want to go into web development alone, or develop more general skills. In my experience, C++ is the most flexible, efficient and well optimised language of the lot. I've also found that C++ developers can turn their hand to just about anything else, so learning C++ is a good grounding anyway (even if you don't intend to use it in your career - though you might be surprised). Although it's got a reputation for being difficult to learn, I don't think that's the case for the core language...it's the frameworks that have the real learning curve...and that's the case whichever language you choose. Just a thought or three. I'm sure you'll get lots more. ;) One final thought..although I'll probably get mugged :rolleyes: for saying it, consider learning C# - the syntax is close to C++, it's likely to crop up on web developments and its an easy language to learn - if less flexible than C++. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've also found that C++ developers can turn their hand to just about anything else, so learning C++ is a good grounding anyway (even if you don't intend to use it in your career - though you might be surprised). How true. :) 5++
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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I'm not kidding; I see that most of job requests are about using software, not programming, so I wonder if it's worth to learn a difficult language and MFC and so on when everybody ask for SQL or ASP and so on. Thanks for your answers. Erminio
Look at the job market. Bottom end web design is a script kiddie market, no real living to make there. So how large are the top end web and C++ markets ? Elaine The tigress is here :-D
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I'm not kidding; I see that most of job requests are about using software, not programming, so I wonder if it's worth to learn a difficult language and MFC and so on when everybody ask for SQL or ASP and so on. Thanks for your answers. Erminio
Just ask yourself, why would games be written in C++ ? The true answer to your post is, It depends on what you want to program... You won't program true artificial intelligence in c++ You won't program web in c++ either... But C++ is certainly the language prefered by many for many reasons. Either you learn Java or C++ if you wan't a real knowledge base of programming. yep that's right...
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've also found that C++ developers can turn their hand to just about anything else, so learning C++ is a good grounding anyway (even if you don't intend to use it in your career - though you might be surprised). How true. :) 5++
Regards,Rohit Sinha
It just had to be said. ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Norm Almond wrote: how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#. But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... MyDUMeter: a .NET DUMeter clone
leppie wrote: But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
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Norm Almond wrote: how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#. But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... MyDUMeter: a .NET DUMeter clone
How is this a good thing? It's quite buggy.
"Pretending to guide me, you led me astray, And I don't want to fall into your kind of ways." "Melt", Front 242
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Norm Almond wrote: how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#. But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... MyDUMeter: a .NET DUMeter clone
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Norm Almond wrote: I'll second that, how do you tools like Macromedia's DreamWeaver was written, and the answer certainly isn't VB or C#. Ok, I'm sure you are correct that C++ was the basis for Dreamweaver, however I think that is a little harsh to say that it couldn't be done in C# (an example[^] ).
Nick Parker
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything. - Theodore Roosevelt
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leppie wrote: But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
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Just ask yourself, why would games be written in C++ ? The true answer to your post is, It depends on what you want to program... You won't program true artificial intelligence in c++ You won't program web in c++ either... But C++ is certainly the language prefered by many for many reasons. Either you learn Java or C++ if you wan't a real knowledge base of programming. yep that's right...
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leppie wrote: But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
Michael P Butler wrote: Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment The bugs are hardly the result of C#. In the end bugs come from people... Now maybe I'm wrong but I would be willing to bet that the clr had nothing to do with the bugs.
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Michael P Butler wrote: Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment The bugs are hardly the result of C#. In the end bugs come from people... Now maybe I'm wrong but I would be willing to bet that the clr had nothing to do with the bugs.
Yeah, I'll second that! :) MyDUMeter: a .NET DUMeter clone
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leppie wrote: But we have VS.NET written almost 50% in C#... Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
Michael P Butler wrote: Yeah but it ain't exactly a stable, reliable product at the moment Hmm... I havn't had any stability problems with it. "We will thrive in the new environment, leaping across space and time, everywhere and nowhere, like air or radiation, redundant, self-replicating, and always evolving." -unspecified individual
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I'm not kidding; I see that most of job requests are about using software, not programming, so I wonder if it's worth to learn a difficult language and MFC and so on when everybody ask for SQL or ASP and so on. Thanks for your answers. Erminio
the answer is YES, although some job listings aren't for programming, there are a great deal out there, if you look. and learning C++ will give you a big jump on programming and other computer realted fields.hope you continue to study C++, i'm only 14 and i love it and i'm really good and it might sound wierd but i was asked to make some small company a program, and i was payed pretty well considering how simple the program was!:-D