Slammin' the Apple announcment sticky
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Another thing is the change that happens when the founders leave. When Jobs left (was escorted off the premises) Apple was awful. He came back and Apple completely turned around. He's now left the building, and, well, I think we're going to start seeing the effects sooner rather than later. Jony Ives can do wonders, and he gets it, but there needs to be a single person who says yes or no, and a single person responsible for the core vision. This is something Microsoft desperately needs. Someone to pick up the whole thing and say "let's work as a single unit and make sure it all works together". The Windows 8 Metro and Windows Phone 8 Metro confusion should not be.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Until someone hides Ballmer's food and he becomes too weak to make it into the office I fear the MS death spiral will continue. And the only thing Sinofsky is the answer to is a really stupid question.
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But it's only a phone. Pretty much bugger all to do with developers, unless we want to have sticky threads every time a product/gadget that might have interest to devs is released.
Chris Maunder wrote:
No, not paid.
Should have been. Next time, contact them first, and see what they're willing to offer. I doubt that many people would have a problem with CP having sponsored sticky threads -- it's a business, after all, and mouths have to be fed.
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I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Until someone hides Ballmer's food and he becomes too weak to make it into the office I fear the MS death spiral will continue. And the only thing Sinofsky is the answer to is a really stupid question.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
If I had a coffee I would spray it all over the screen. In fact, let me go grab one now. That is gold.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I hate Apple for the company that Jobs turned it into when he returned. I would much rather support a shop *with* a philantropic commitment: sure it might be a publicity stunt, but does get good done. At the moment they come across as a greedy entity who encourage uniformity and non-individualism. So that's why, it's a religeous thing.
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Chineese Proverb] Jonathan C Dickinson (C# Software Engineer)
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Well VS 2012 is a dev IDE of a product whose earlier versions are very very popular among your members. The iPhone is a phone-device, you did not link to a dev talk/launch. I guess that may have put some people off. Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did. Of course they wouldn't have done that if the functionality was not there at all, but then that's victim blaming. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did.
Why? The down-vote is a very valuable tool in showing somebody there post wasn't appreciated/could be improved. It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour. If you post something that gets a lot of downvotes then you learn to modify your behaviour in the future. In this way I believe down-votes actually contribute to improving the content on this site more than the up-votes do. Up-votes(in the social forums) actually do more damage than good, but that's another story. I've never really understood your opposition to down-votes.
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I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I've definitely posted stickies before. For Microsoft launches.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Do you need a new stick to continue beating that horse? It looks kinda dead ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
Of course not only did I not vote, but I have a very poor opinion of all those that did.
Why? The down-vote is a very valuable tool in showing somebody there post wasn't appreciated/could be improved. It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour. If you post something that gets a lot of downvotes then you learn to modify your behaviour in the future. In this way I believe down-votes actually contribute to improving the content on this site more than the up-votes do. Up-votes(in the social forums) actually do more damage than good, but that's another story. I've never really understood your opposition to down-votes.
TPFKAPB wrote:
It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour.
And of course, everyone here is totally agreed upon what correct behavior is! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I didn't vote on the post one way or the other. I use a Mac side by side with my PC in my home office. I like Apple products. (Which is different from saying I like Apple corporate marketing or Apple customer service.) I also like Microsoft. Except when I don't. So while I can understand the antipathy against Apple products here on CP, I do not share it.
What me worry?
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You mean commerical or consumer? Visual Studio is a commercial product.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
A commercial post! You're shouting that some company is going to announce new hardware. (Even after implicitly stating that in the poll on the frontpage! - the only thing missing is a Apple-specific contest) Not really a "tool" we use for our daily work, is it? Or do you use your phone as an IDE? Try and compare that to the announcement that there's a new express-edition for VS. ..and yes, when you put up a sticky for Microsoft, I'll mark that as spam too. Those are companies that needn't be helped with marketing, and you can put "special events" like these on the Insider-forum. I needn't be "jazzed up" on coming releases; not from Apple, not from Microsoft, not from Sun, not from Stackoverflow. If they have anything interesting, I'll know soon enough; simply because there'll be new articles on the new product.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Didn't vote on it at all, but when I looked at it I too felt it was a bit of favoritism. You have many avenues at your disposal for announcements on this site. If it is industry news/announcements, I thought that's what the insider was for? If it's just for conversation, sure, the Lounge works. However, to make it a sticky in the lounge seemed like you were using the bully pulpit to shove it at us. I know you have said that you have done this type of thing before, and I vaguely recall some of them, but they are few and far between and extremely inconsistent. I think it is the inconsistency that bothers me more than the favoritism. If you want to notify people of important tech events, you have many options. Going straight to the sticky for these announcements seemed like overkill. (Also overkill because: were you even on the internet that day? did you not get bombarded by iPhone announcements everywhere you turned? I was sick of the iPhone 5 before it was even announced.) I think you should reserve sticky posts for "YOU MUST READ THIS NOW" type of posts, and not "YOU MAY FIND THIS OF SOME INTEREST" type of posts.
Be The Noise
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I didn't vote on the post one way or the other. I use a Mac side by side with my PC in my home office. I like Apple products. (Which is different from saying I like Apple corporate marketing or Apple customer service.) I also like Microsoft. Except when I don't. So while I can understand the antipathy against Apple products here on CP, I do not share it.
What me worry?
Just yesterday I was thinking "whatever happened to Mad magazine". Now you've got me needing to Google. Procrastination, here I come. [Edit: Wow. I now wish I didn't. That's sad.]
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Will you stop teasing us over the Ultrabook challenge? I'm looking forward to it.
I have a feeling that the competition might be a little directed: I need a program that ... The task is to produce a program that ...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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TPFKAPB wrote:
It is there to educate posters as to what is correct/expected behaviour.
And of course, everyone here is totally agreed upon what correct behavior is! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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I'll facebook Tim Cook next time and get him to pony-up. He's so tight, though :rolleyes: So you see no opportunity in mobile device development? Nothing interesting in a device that hundreds of millions of people own, that has a fast chip, oodles of sensors, and is carried around almost 24hrs a day by people? I'm currently reviewing an Ultrabook as part of the Ultimate Code challenge[^], and I'm really, really, really excited about what we're going to see from developers. That we're finally seeing the capabilities that smartphones have had for years coming to laptops is awesome. But - the smartphones are still there and they can do amazing things and we're now seeing a complete new eco system evolve. My ultrabook and my phone can talk, my soon-to-be-delivered pebble smartwatch will talk to both, and control both. They will all be able to communicate with my bluetooth car stereo. They will all talk to my bike sensors and heartrate monitor. I love that all these devices (especially phones) are getting faster, and clearer, with better connectivity and sensors. I love it. Oh, and I have a desktop under my desk somewhere. It's 5 years old. I don't even care enough to upgrade it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I don't think I'd be too happy to have invested months of my time building something (having paid for the privilege of doing so), only to find that apple has decided that what I've built might in some spurious way be considered to be in competition with one of their proprietary programs, and will not be allowed on the market. The apple model for software evolution is not a branch that I'm willing to swing to. I'm not up for letting my working life be defined by marketing morons from a company that I don't even work for.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
May I suggest you remove voting from stickies. The Bugs & Suggestions is where they can comment and complain. A sticky is just a sticky. Don't give the masses ammo. :rose: Hmmm, we need a "peace out" icon for guys. The rose is too feminine and the other icons aren't appropriate. I could give you a sheep.
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May I suggest you remove voting from stickies. The Bugs & Suggestions is where they can comment and complain. A sticky is just a sticky. Don't give the masses ammo. :rose: Hmmm, we need a "peace out" icon for guys. The rose is too feminine and the other icons aren't appropriate. I could give you a sheep.
Any sheep being given out are the exclusive property of OG.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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BobJanova wrote:
I 1-voted it for the clear favouritism
It still doesn't make sense. The only stickies I've posted in the past for product launches have been Microsoft products. By posting one for Apple I'm actively now promoting other companies, and will continue to do so. This is actually the opposite of favouritism. I guess it's just because it was Apple since I am doubting if I'd posted a Samsung link there would have been the 1 votes. I accuse you, sir, of the bias ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
The stickies that I've noticed in the past (and they're pretty rare) have been for development oriented things. VS, for example – this site is mostly aimed at people who use VS as part of their job, and so it makes sense to promote a new version of that. If you make one for a major release of .Net, or a C++ standards update, that would be sensible too, though personally I'd prefer them all to just go into Insider News. This one was a piece of consumer tech, though, so it's rather different. And, well, I might not have 1-voted a sticky about a Samsung Galaxy launch event, because they aren't so over-exposed already that I get annoyed with the very mention of their name, but I'd have questioned why it deserved one and no other company had done so before.
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If ever there's a case for keeping downvotes it's got to be my sticky post yesterday regarding the Apple iPhone announcement. I'm amazed at the 1-votes. Where did the magic go, guys? Apple creates tech gadgets. Overpriced, overhyped, overhyperboly'd, sure. But they are gadgets and they are a way for developers to create applications that millions of people will use and enjoy. This isn't restricted to the iPhone, though. Android devices, Windows Phone, and Blackberries all provide the developer with the most interesting developer challenge and opportunity in the last decade. So I'm just curious: Do people hate Apple for being Apple? Hate the devices? Hate the hype? The OS? The development environment? The available apps? The design? Is it the tall poppy syndrome, or is it a feeling that other companies are more worthy of the over-the-top media attention? I don't want to start the same old boring religious war, and I'm not interested in discussions regarding the Reality Distortion Field since every single company does the same thing. I'd just like to know what, specifically, people dislike about an announcement regarding an Apple launch, but also what, specifically, you guys would be interested in hearing regarding Apple. And Google. And Samsung. And RIM. And whatever other handset make you care to name.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
For me, why I dislike Apple is the barrier to entry for developing, the closed-boxed-ness of their devices and development process, and the general overpriced-ness. I voted it 1 because, well, it's feedback to as to what us users like. I voted it one because the users in the Lounge that are interested in the release are surely aware of it and where to watch it. I also feel that it was a little slanted because it is just one new generation of an existing product, not exactly groundbreaking. Was the same done for, or will be done for, the Wii, Samsung III, Google glasses, new XBox's/PS's, Samsung Tablet, Facebook Phone, Droid OS, .NET release that probably effects just as many developers as the new iPhone?