Harassment online
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[rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.
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MehGerbil wrote:
Our capitalist system has a major downside ... form of advertising
In the US that is allowed via the freedom of speech clause in the Constitution. As with other rights there are downsides to all of them.
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You say corporations get the same rights as a person, but no retribution? It's almost like they right the laws.
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loctrice wrote:
I still find it odd that we have laws with prison terms for annoying someone online, but no defense from corporations.
In the US there are no laws about "annoying" someone. There are laws about stalking, harassement and libel. Although libel isn't new. And for the other two there are laws which preclude those outside of online communication as well.
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[rant mode="on"] Advertising is way out of control in our country. Our capitalist system has a major downside and that is the ubiquitous, incessent nagging in the form of advertising that all of us must endure. I think the cynical, detached disposition of most of our children can be traced to the non-stop lying they've been exposed to since they've been old enough to stumble up to a TV screen and peer into it's vacuous depths. You aren't adequate. You aren't happy. You aren't real. ...until you buy our product. [rant mode="off"] I no longer watch network TV because of ads. I flip radio stations any time an ad comes on (or turn it off). I don't read billboards. I won't watch a video on the webnets if it's preceded by an ad. Elephant them all.
No end of studies have resulted in the finding that marketing is the major cause of unhappiness in the West. Money shortage? Not a problem, unless you're hit by piles of marketing. Marital problems? Most of them are caused by materialistic desires, inspired by... What could it be, now? Death and bereavement? These don't actually make people as unhappy as you would expect. They're way low down in the order, in the "what makes your life miserable" stakes. Being sad about loss and missing people doesn't actually make your life worse -- but if a marketing campaign blasted out that you must have at least two gramdmas, that would make you miserable. Believing that you need what you don't need is what makes you miserable, and marketing is all about making you believe that. Take 'em all out an shoot 'em, for the misery they cause.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Speaking of libel, if I say that Apple makes iPhones using Chinese slave labor, is that libel? Because it's only NOT libel if it's true, and they DO pay the Chinese workers...
Libel would come about if the offended party took offense and then took you to court and won. Other than that... - Given that they are produced in China, naturally the laborers are mostly or entirely Chinese. - Given the current econoics in China the workers are most likely getting paid at least an average wage. - And the workers are free to quit the job when they want. So it would certainly appear that if you made that statement it would be libel.
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Freedom of speech? Hey, with the amount that's left, it might be worth giving it up for getting rid of ads...
ekolis wrote:
Hey, with the amount that's left,
Not sure what you mean, however in the US currently there is an unprecedented right to free speech, more so than in any time in the past and more so than even in the relatively recent past. Certainly more so for example than in 1950 and probably measurably compared to 1970. And vastly more possibilities for dessiminating it as well in just the past 50 years.
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Libel would come about if the offended party took offense and then took you to court and won. Other than that... - Given that they are produced in China, naturally the laborers are mostly or entirely Chinese. - Given the current econoics in China the workers are most likely getting paid at least an average wage. - And the workers are free to quit the job when they want. So it would certainly appear that if you made that statement it would be libel.
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ekolis wrote:
Hey, with the amount that's left,
Not sure what you mean, however in the US currently there is an unprecedented right to free speech, more so than in any time in the past and more so than even in the relatively recent past. Certainly more so for example than in 1950 and probably measurably compared to 1970. And vastly more possibilities for dessiminating it as well in just the past 50 years.
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I still think that corporate buyouts should be illegal under the 14th Amendment, which prohibits slavery...
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More than in the past? More than in most other countries, I'd believe, but not more than in the past...
ekolis wrote:
I'd believe, but not more than in the past...
Incorrect. Pornography is freely available now. And one time you would face jail time for depictions that now occur in mainstream movies and even commmonly available print and broadcast TV. Promoting homosexuality in the past would lead to criminal prosecution. Or worse violence which was not punished. Where 'promoting' means speaking in any way about it that was not negative. Speaking out in almost any public way against an employer could lead to criminal prosecution and even violence against an employee. Print/tv/radio were under very strict restrictions as to what could be posted. Protests based on anything but the most innocuous subjects would be met with real jail time and even police initiated violence. And at one time prosecution for blasphemy was possible which extended even to cussing. Photographs that one can now go to a studio and pay them to take could at one time lead to jail time even when between consenting adults (and of course used as evidence in criminal prosecution.) Institutionalization was a common methodology for removing undesirables from a neighbood. Presuming of course that the police didn't just drive them out the county line and tell them to take a hike (maybe with a bit of a beating to drive the point home.) As I also noted individuals also have many more possible venues for expressing themselves.