So I installed Ubuntu this morning.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion
Now you know why Linux doesn't have a larger foothold as a workstation OS. :|
Brady Kelly wrote:
I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan
The difference between Linux and Windows system administrators is that Linux system administrators need to be system administrators. :doh:
Brady Kelly wrote:
In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
As they say in New York City; fuggetaboutit! You will really need to know how to administer the machine now. On the minus side, you will have a steep learning curve. :thumbsdown: On the plus side, when you have mastered the details you will really know how the system operates. :thumbsup:
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The difference between Linux and Windows system administrators is that Linux system administrators need to be system administrators.
Hey, I am not a Linux SysAdmin, but I have taught some Linux SysAdmins here at Ivy Tech a thing or two (or three or four or five or... well, you get the idea). I think it is kind of sad that I, as a lowly student, knows more about Linux than the paid Linux SysAdmins here. :sigh:
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That sounds like a hardware problem though.
Given that the signal is transmitted through the ether, I thought it would be vaporware.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
The difference between Linux and Windows system administrators is that Linux system administrators need to be system administrators.
Hey, I am not a Linux SysAdmin, but I have taught some Linux SysAdmins here at Ivy Tech a thing or two (or three or four or five or... well, you get the idea). I think it is kind of sad that I, as a lowly student, knows more about Linux than the paid Linux SysAdmins here. :sigh:
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. Stephen Hawking
Zac Greve wrote:
I think it is kind of sad that I, as a lowly student, knows more about Linux than the paid Linux SysAdmins here.
Sounds like they were SysAdmins in name only. Actually things have changed quite a lot since I was a UNIX SysAdmin in the 1980's. These days you do not need to have as much knowledgd of the inner workings to be able to administer a Linux machine.
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And so far, I am not impressed. It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion, and I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan. In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
Well me being a Ubuntu user and have set up a DSL connection before. I have a couple of question so we can solve the issues at hand. First what type of modem do you have. You may need to install the driver correctly. Secondly how is it connected to the computer, if it is connected using USB, run the following command in a terminal and post the output:
lsusb
If its a PCI modem use:
lspci -k
I am specificly looking for the Device IDs.
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Well me being a Ubuntu user and have set up a DSL connection before. I have a couple of question so we can solve the issues at hand. First what type of modem do you have. You may need to install the driver correctly. Secondly how is it connected to the computer, if it is connected using USB, run the following command in a terminal and post the output:
lsusb
If its a PCI modem use:
lspci -k
I am specificly looking for the Device IDs.
Our connections are working OK now, thanks. It was the pppoeconf tool that did the trick.
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Our connections are working OK now, thanks. It was the pppoeconf tool that did the trick.
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I think it will take a bit of time before there's any loving. Windows 7 is my default OS, from familiarity and that I do 95% Windows programming. Windows 7 doesn't lack anything for me, so Ubuntu will have to go the extra mile. That said, I am going to give it a proper chance and try and use it whenever I'm not working, for personal use, media etc.
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I think it will take a bit of time before there's any loving. Windows 7 is my default OS, from familiarity and that I do 95% Windows programming. Windows 7 doesn't lack anything for me, so Ubuntu will have to go the extra mile. That said, I am going to give it a proper chance and try and use it whenever I'm not working, for personal use, media etc.
I absolutely understand. I did it when I was running Windows XP. What I ended up doing was running the applications that I would run in Ubuntu (back then it was Ubuntu 6.06) on Windows XP. As I got use to them there was a point in time, where I was using more of these tools. So I moved from that to running Ubuntu in a virtual machine. I learned from that how the file system works, and also how to do basic networking. I then started using the Ubuntu virtual machine so much that I decided to switch the equation, so that Ubuntu was the host and Windows XP was the guest. Over time I found myself using XP less and less. I now use the XP VM just for testing websites in IE and my current ASP.NET investigations. I also had a lot of problems like you, when doing the final switch from XP to Ubuntu, except I also had a strange problem where if I set my startup display in the BIOS to the graphics card (ATI Radieon 9200SE), Xorg would not start correctly, however if I had my on board graphics card set. and my Monitor connected to the Radieon, it would work perfectly. BTW I have been a PHP developer for 8 years, and I am doing some investigation on how good ASP.NET actually is. I am so use to everything being so simple and dynamic in PHP. Simple applications that requires authentication, simple form validation and output (for example is the email supplied a valid email address) seems so complicated for what it actually is. All I am trying to do is a simple CMS that has search engine friendly URLs. In PHP it takes about all of 30 mins. However I seem to be fighting VS2010 more than I am actually writing code and I have spent more than 3 days and got nowhere. So your not alone!!! However I am sure its just because I am use to the PHP ways of doing it, and I will get use to it.
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I absolutely understand. I did it when I was running Windows XP. What I ended up doing was running the applications that I would run in Ubuntu (back then it was Ubuntu 6.06) on Windows XP. As I got use to them there was a point in time, where I was using more of these tools. So I moved from that to running Ubuntu in a virtual machine. I learned from that how the file system works, and also how to do basic networking. I then started using the Ubuntu virtual machine so much that I decided to switch the equation, so that Ubuntu was the host and Windows XP was the guest. Over time I found myself using XP less and less. I now use the XP VM just for testing websites in IE and my current ASP.NET investigations. I also had a lot of problems like you, when doing the final switch from XP to Ubuntu, except I also had a strange problem where if I set my startup display in the BIOS to the graphics card (ATI Radieon 9200SE), Xorg would not start correctly, however if I had my on board graphics card set. and my Monitor connected to the Radieon, it would work perfectly. BTW I have been a PHP developer for 8 years, and I am doing some investigation on how good ASP.NET actually is. I am so use to everything being so simple and dynamic in PHP. Simple applications that requires authentication, simple form validation and output (for example is the email supplied a valid email address) seems so complicated for what it actually is. All I am trying to do is a simple CMS that has search engine friendly URLs. In PHP it takes about all of 30 mins. However I seem to be fighting VS2010 more than I am actually writing code and I have spent more than 3 days and got nowhere. So your not alone!!! However I am sure its just because I am use to the PHP ways of doing it, and I will get use to it.
Yes, there are many, many tricks in .NET to avoid work, and once you know them, it all becomes easy again. Just holler if you need help with it. Asking questions in the right forum here is a great way to better your knowledge.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
The difference between Linux and Windows system administrators is that Linux system administrators need to be system administrators.
Hey, I am not a Linux SysAdmin, but I have taught some Linux SysAdmins here at Ivy Tech a thing or two (or three or four or five or... well, you get the idea). I think it is kind of sad that I, as a lowly student, knows more about Linux than the paid Linux SysAdmins here. :sigh:
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. Stephen Hawking
I think its sad that in the 2010's Linux still requires this kind to tomfoolery to do basis sysadmin tasks. Jimmy wrote earlier "On the plus side, when you have mastered the details you will really know how the system operates." I certainly don't see that as a plus for Linux - modern devices should hide the complexity from users most of the time. I really don't see it as an "advantage" that mastering a system still requires occasional forays into state-of-the-art-40-years-ago command-line processing.
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And so far, I am not impressed. It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion, and I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan. In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
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Please click the Network Icon in the Notification Area, and then click Edit Connections. A dialog with many tabs will open, and DSL would be the last. Go to that and click Add and add your configuration. That's it.
That isn't it. To add a dsl connection over wifi you have to use the pppoeconf tool to create the connection. We tried several times using just Edit Connections without success.
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And so far, I am not impressed. It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion, and I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan. In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
2 thoughts. 1) Personally I hate Unity (Ubuntu's Gnome 3 interface). I've installed the Gnome Classic interface. 2) Wireless drivers for network cards/USB sticks in Linux can be a pain. The first step is to know your network card.
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And so far, I am not impressed. It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion, and I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan. In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
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I opted to install it into a VirtualBox and it works like a charm. Clipboard and Foldersharing - no problem
I have it in a VM under VMWare Player, but as I was dealing with wifi and network connection specifics, I thought I'd prefer direct hardware access, so I installed it dual boot. The crap there is no file sharing, so I'm going back to a VM when I do my new machine tomorrow.
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And so far, I am not impressed. It has been a long day of googling, and finding only examples of others' frustration and confusion, and I am still not able to set up a DSL (PPPoE) connection over my wlan. In Windows I created a new connection, enter username and password, and it works.
Welcome to the Linux world, where the simple, it's hard and the hard, harder. :laugh: My gripes with Linux are mostly my graphic card and wireless driver, both are not fully open source so i need to grab them from the vendor site and compile a small wrapper around a binary file and do some console magic, pray and cross my fingers for it to work in the first try. Seriously, don't expect to accomplish too much with the GUI (in the SysAdmin side), better learn some commands or even better, get a cheatsheet.
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I have it in a VM under VMWare Player, but as I was dealing with wifi and network connection specifics, I thought I'd prefer direct hardware access, so I installed it dual boot. The crap there is no file sharing, so I'm going back to a VM when I do my new machine tomorrow.
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About file sharing, can't you just mount the file system that you want to access? I use 'mount' and 'umount' for any local file system. I don't know if this does what you need.
Hmm, I can have a look at mounting, but I would till prefer to have both 'boxes' up at the same time, hence the VM route.
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I think its sad that in the 2010's Linux still requires this kind to tomfoolery to do basis sysadmin tasks. Jimmy wrote earlier "On the plus side, when you have mastered the details you will really know how the system operates." I certainly don't see that as a plus for Linux - modern devices should hide the complexity from users most of the time. I really don't see it as an "advantage" that mastering a system still requires occasional forays into state-of-the-art-40-years-ago command-line processing.
I do not see it as "effective" to have a GUI for each bloody option available in the command line. Setting up a static address is simple, even for a non-admin like me, and the command line is the superior model here; quick no-nonsense interaction, just bash in some scripts. Now, let me see you work through a thirty-something screenshots, trying to figure out where they moved that textbox to since the last version you saw it.
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Our connections are working OK now, thanks. It was the pppoeconf tool that did the trick.
Oh, the memories. Back in 2006 I think, I used to configure my internet connection with pppoeconf in Ubuntu live session to upgrade the installer itself so that it wouldn't fail to install on my machine. Things got easier once I configured my adsl modem as router instead of bridge. Couldn't you do the same? Let your modem dial instead of each operating system.