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  • P Paul Watson

    Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

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    Paul Watson wrote: the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. :wtf: why not ? Paul Watson wrote: What is wrong with it? Nothing IMO.


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      Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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      Paul Watson wrote: Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. That's novel. Heck, why not? Can you imagine if that happened in the UK? I can just see the headlines "Government organises Protest against rising Taxes". Hang on a sec... :laugh: On second thoughts, it'll probably never happen here. We're just too apathetic in this country. :rolleyes: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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      • P Paul Watson

        Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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        Also remember that the government did not participate in the rally, technically. The members of the party currently running the government did. People often fail to distinguish between the government and the party running it. If tomorrow the government changes, ANC will still protest the war. But the stance of the government may change depending on the new party in power now. The people who rallied also have a right to their opinions, and the right to rally and protest, so what if they are currently in office? They are a political party, and citizens of the country, so have the same rights as everyone else. If the government wants to protest, it can write letters, issue memos, take official stances, and so forth. But a government can't rally. LOL! What am I saying? Does that make sense even to me? Guess I'm too messed up in the head right now.
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        Rohit Sinha

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        • P Paul Watson

          Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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          Paul Watson wrote: toy-toy :) Seriously, it's nice to see them standing up for what they believe in against someone so much bigger than us. Any links? Perhaps we could organise a simultaneous one here, outside SA House in Trafalgar Sq :cool:


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          • P Paul Watson

            Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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            Kind of reminds me of a George Orwell story I read once.

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              Kind of reminds me of a George Orwell story I read once.

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              Jason Henderson wrote: Kind of reminds me of a George Orwell story I read once. In other words: This is not a good thing. :) thanks for the reply.

              Paul Watson
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              Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                Paul Watson wrote: Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. That's novel. Heck, why not? Can you imagine if that happened in the UK? I can just see the headlines "Government organises Protest against rising Taxes". Hang on a sec... :laugh: On second thoughts, it'll probably never happen here. We're just too apathetic in this country. :rolleyes: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: We're just too apathetic in this country Hang on a sec Anna, I'd contest that. I was at the last don't-attack-Iraq demo, and there were over 200,000 people there, hardly apathey (sp?). I'll be at the next one on the 15th too, and we're looking forward to a (hopefully) huge turn out, despite the UK weather in Febuary. I don't think it's true that us brits are apathetic, okay, it's a little easier for me because I live in London, but I would still get there if I lived in the Shetland Isles! Does this mean we won't be seeing you there? (Hint, hint)


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                  Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: We're just too apathetic in this country Hang on a sec Anna, I'd contest that. I was at the last don't-attack-Iraq demo, and there were over 200,000 people there, hardly apathey (sp?). I'll be at the next one on the 15th too, and we're looking forward to a (hopefully) huge turn out, despite the UK weather in Febuary. I don't think it's true that us brits are apathetic, okay, it's a little easier for me because I live in London, but I would still get there if I lived in the Shetland Isles! Does this mean we won't be seeing you there? (Hint, hint)


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                  Fair cop guvnor. :rolleyes: Whilst I know we are capable of getting off our bums and doing something, I think it takes a lot more to get us to do so than the population of many countries. Let's face it, when the British population do a demo, it usually means they're seriously pissed about something! Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                  • P Paul Watson

                    Today the ANC, the majority party in SA, has organised a rally/protest/march/toy-toy outside the US consulate against Bush's Go To War policy. Now the major opposition party has come out saying that the government should not get involved in organising rallies and protest marches. At first blush I agreed. Then I started thinking and have now changed my mind. Surely the majority party represents the majority of the people (please remember: We are talking ideals here. How it should be, not how it is) and so is perfectly right in being allowed to organise a march like this? Also this march just reinforces the official stance of South Africa towards the war. If nobody attends the rally, then we can see that the majority parties views on the matter do not represent the people. If it is attended well then they are. What is wrong with it? * This is not a war post, m'kay? Don't yell at me because SA is against the war.

                    Paul Watson
                    Bluegrass
                    Cape Town, South Africa

                    Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                    Just out of curiosity: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? My guess is no. Instead they'll claim victory "See, we didn't need to go to war!" while ignoring the power/pressure of the threat of war. In the end we are in a "no win" situation. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                      Just out of curiosity: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? My guess is no. Instead they'll claim victory "See, we didn't need to go to war!" while ignoring the power/pressure of the threat of war. In the end we are in a "no win" situation. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                      Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. - Emo Philips

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                      Somehow I doubt it Mike. :confused: Some people never want to give any credit to anyone but themselves. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                        Just out of curiosity: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? My guess is no. Instead they'll claim victory "See, we didn't need to go to war!" while ignoring the power/pressure of the threat of war. In the end we are in a "no win" situation. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                        Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. - Emo Philips

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                        Mike Mullikin wrote: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? Many, if not all of them will, I believe. I myself am personally against a war, but then I am against any war, but let that be, that's just me. But if Iraq is disarmed, I realise fully well that it'll only be because of the war threat. And kudos to US/UK. Some things cannot simply be achieved without some arm twisting.
                        Regards,

                        Rohit Sinha

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                          Just out of curiosity: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? My guess is no. Instead they'll claim victory "See, we didn't need to go to war!" while ignoring the power/pressure of the threat of war. In the end we are in a "no win" situation. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                          Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. - Emo Philips

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                          Mike Mullikin wrote: If the current US/UK threats against Iraq somehow manage to disarm Saddam without war will the anti-war protestors give us any credit at all? No, you are right most won't. Hopefully though we can progress towards not even needing to threaten people. War is an ugly stick to use.

                          Paul Watson
                          Bluegrass
                          Cape Town, South Africa

                          Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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