Coding outside of work.
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I'm saying your employer being bankrupt is not necessarily good reason for an NDA not being enforceable any more.
The fact that the owner plead guilty to 4 charges of fraud, I'm involved in a class action lawsuit against them for withheld wages, the company assets are frozen, and it no longer operates, might be though. The NDA is bunk, as it was signed under false pretenses. Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
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NDAs usually have a time limit: if that has elapsed, regardless of the state of the business, he should be okay.
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It's been almost a year for them. I think the NDA was for a year (I'll look for my copy, I have a feeling their copy was shredded). I doubt it's enforceable; brokers ran with client books and started their own brokerages already. I'm still under my old NDA until the end of this month, but that shouldn't be applicable to either of these.
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The fact that the owner plead guilty to 4 charges of fraud, I'm involved in a class action lawsuit against them for withheld wages, the company assets are frozen, and it no longer operates, might be though. The NDA is bunk, as it was signed under false pretenses. Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
wizardzz wrote:
Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
I would hazard they can provided the NDA was not formed as part of the criminal activities of which they are found guilty.
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The fact that the owner plead guilty to 4 charges of fraud, I'm involved in a class action lawsuit against them for withheld wages, the company assets are frozen, and it no longer operates, might be though. The NDA is bunk, as it was signed under false pretenses. Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
wizardzz wrote:
Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
that depends, in what country you live? here in Brazil is almost certain that they can! :laugh: don't know about the U.S., but here an bankrupt entrepreneur with a 8 years old debt managed to expel hundreds of families to a land that he "possessed", even though this land had a debt of more than 3 million dollars ... DISCLAIMER: good part of this post was translated with google, blame him for the incoherence...
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
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I finally found some projects to work on. I've wanted to find a way to experiment with mobile development on my own, but with some sort of purpose. 1) A local indie radio station is trying to gather local developers to help build out some apps (which will be released open source). This would definitely lead to article writing. 2) A contest for mobile development that is extremely closely related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt, so I don't think my non-compete/nda is enforceable). This one probably won't lead to an article.
wizardzz wrote:
related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt,
Thank God! these guys wants an open source product... ...But whatever happens please write that article. :)
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wizardzz wrote:
Can a criminal organization hold one to an NDA?
I would hazard they can provided the NDA was not formed as part of the criminal activities of which they are found guilty.
There's also the view that since they enter into the agreement with dirty hands, they voided it from the get go. My old manager went back to his old consulting firm with the actual source code he wrote. The IP is not being counted as part of the assets to be sold off, and the company is no longer operating. I think stealing the source code could be criminally prosecuted so he could be in shit. But I don't see who would enforce an NDA, the bankruptcy trustees, how would they benefit? Anyways, I would never write or design anything the way they did. They were a good example of how not to build a system. I know what I've learned from then and currency trading will help me write something actually good.
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wizardzz wrote:
related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt,
Thank God! these guys wants an open source product... ...But whatever happens please write that article. :)
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Yeah, I was talking about the first one. OK... let me explain the humor :( : Since you bankrupted your previous client, this one you cannot, because they want an open source product... and even if you manage to bankrupt them, don't forget to write that article...
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Yeah, I was talking about the first one. OK... let me explain the humor :( : Since you bankrupted your previous client, this one you cannot, because they want an open source product... and even if you manage to bankrupt them, don't forget to write that article...
Bankrupting a nonprofit radio station should be eaaaasy! Mwuah ha ha ha ha. :mad: I just hope to get some free tickets out of it, meet some local dev dorks, maybe take over the world, starting by bankrupting the radio station, then city, state, country, Earth. (I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
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Bankrupting a nonprofit radio station should be eaaaasy! Mwuah ha ha ha ha. :mad: I just hope to get some free tickets out of it, meet some local dev dorks, maybe take over the world, starting by bankrupting the radio station, then city, state, country, Earth. (I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
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wizardzz wrote:
I stole $200m
Oh, please do not send me spam from your Nigerian email. :-D
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:laugh:
wizardzz wrote:
I stole $200m
Oh, please do not send me spam from your Nigerian email. :-D
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Bankrupting a nonprofit radio station should be eaaaasy! Mwuah ha ha ha ha. :mad: I just hope to get some free tickets out of it, meet some local dev dorks, maybe take over the world, starting by bankrupting the radio station, then city, state, country, Earth. (I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
wizardzz wrote:
(I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
well, probably not if you read that the way i do :-\ expert-sex-change
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
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The owner did. He was running a similar scheme out of a downtown Chicago office building. http://www.suntimes.com/business/14469709-420/pfgbest-brokerage-ceo-indicted-in-200m-fraud-scheme.html[^]
Wow... But you look old in the picture, well at-least you made it to the news. You have enough money now, leave that radio station alone... and now we know why you are hiding your identity Mr. Russ Wasendorf Sr.
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Bankrupting a nonprofit radio station should be eaaaasy! Mwuah ha ha ha ha. :mad: I just hope to get some free tickets out of it, meet some local dev dorks, maybe take over the world, starting by bankrupting the radio station, then city, state, country, Earth. (I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
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I finally found some projects to work on. I've wanted to find a way to experiment with mobile development on my own, but with some sort of purpose. 1) A local indie radio station is trying to gather local developers to help build out some apps (which will be released open source). This would definitely lead to article writing. 2) A contest for mobile development that is extremely closely related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt, so I don't think my non-compete/nda is enforceable). This one probably won't lead to an article.
I consult on the side, mainly for a hardware engineer friend of mine. I don't code for myself, or for 'fun', other than for the rare CP article (okay, I've written two in ten years).
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I finally found some projects to work on. I've wanted to find a way to experiment with mobile development on my own, but with some sort of purpose. 1) A local indie radio station is trying to gather local developers to help build out some apps (which will be released open source). This would definitely lead to article writing. 2) A contest for mobile development that is extremely closely related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt, so I don't think my non-compete/nda is enforceable). This one probably won't lead to an article.
Why CodeProject of course... http://www.codeproject.com/script/Articles/MemberArticles.aspx?amid=22[^]
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I finally found some projects to work on. I've wanted to find a way to experiment with mobile development on my own, but with some sort of purpose. 1) A local indie radio station is trying to gather local developers to help build out some apps (which will be released open source). This would definitely lead to article writing. 2) A contest for mobile development that is extremely closely related to what I did at my last job (and they are bankrupt, so I don't think my non-compete/nda is enforceable). This one probably won't lead to an article.
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Bankrupting a nonprofit radio station should be eaaaasy! Mwuah ha ha ha ha. :mad: I just hope to get some free tickets out of it, meet some local dev dorks, maybe take over the world, starting by bankrupting the radio station, then city, state, country, Earth. (I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expertsexchange)
wizardzz wrote:
Bankrupt the Earth
Well, it seems that you are already working on this in Europe...
wizardzz wrote:
I would like to point out that if I stole $200m, I'd probably quit using codeproject and get an expert sex change
If you stole $200m, you can do whatever you want to do with it, but please don't give us especifics... :)
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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Only program outside of work to work on should be lottery program. When you win you won't have to work anymore. :-O
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There's also the view that since they enter into the agreement with dirty hands, they voided it from the get go. My old manager went back to his old consulting firm with the actual source code he wrote. The IP is not being counted as part of the assets to be sold off, and the company is no longer operating. I think stealing the source code could be criminally prosecuted so he could be in shit. But I don't see who would enforce an NDA, the bankruptcy trustees, how would they benefit? Anyways, I would never write or design anything the way they did. They were a good example of how not to build a system. I know what I've learned from then and currency trading will help me write something actually good.
After bankruptcy, all assets are levied and sold. Intellectual property is an asset and will be classified as such. You will still be held accountable to the NDA. It is exactly the same as if the company were sold. End of discussion... do not violate the NDA.
