War on science?
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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Yeah, that's just silly. It's like jailing the car manufacturer for failing to predict that someone would die in a car crash caused by a drunk driver.
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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Damn it. I was going to start a second career as a weatherman in Italy. I think I'll forgo that idea. :)
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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Very bizarre. However, perhaps they should not have issued statements to the effect that everything was okay when plainly they really couldn't have known that for a fact. The judge didn't find science guilty, he found them guilty of saying everything was okay when they couldn't have known that. I understand that had they said the reverse then panic may have ensued leaving them in a precarious position. However, they could have just said 'we don't really know because the government won't put any money into research' or something like that. Just a thought.
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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I wouldn't call them "priests", more like demons.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
I wouldn't call them "priests", more like demons.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
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They are priests, and many remain priests. It's a title bestowed upon them. The point of my post is that they are protected via religion, while scientists go to jail for doing nothing.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
MehGerbil wrote:
if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued
Most unlikely, all the locals knew that there had been a number of recent tremors. All they wanted to know was whether it was safe to stay in their houses, or should they keep outdoors as much as possible. Having followed the advice of the "experts" quite a few lost their lives. That surely is as close to criminal negligence as you can get.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
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MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
Where you and I might differ, wizardzz, is that some sort of blowback should happen for those careless scientists who like to bandy about as 'facts' those things that are only best 'guesses'. I know the power is enticing, but they need to resist or face the consequences. Where did the people get the idea that the local scientists could predict an earthquake or call an all clear? Nobody can do that with 100% accuracy. As someone who has watched many of our freedoms errode because a board of unelected scientists have decided what is good for me or what is not good for me - well, I'm glad to see some blowback for the arrogance. That said, I don't see what these guys could have done to avoid jail. People are dangerous to lead.
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
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MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
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And what does that have to do with the court case? It's a populist bandwagon that runs the risk of becoming the new Godwin's law.
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