War on science?
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The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
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They are priests, and many remain priests. It's a title bestowed upon them. The point of my post is that they are protected via religion, while scientists go to jail for doing nothing.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
MehGerbil wrote:
if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued
Most unlikely, all the locals knew that there had been a number of recent tremors. All they wanted to know was whether it was safe to stay in their houses, or should they keep outdoors as much as possible. Having followed the advice of the "experts" quite a few lost their lives. That surely is as close to criminal negligence as you can get.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely. I think the scientists in the region should stop making predictions of any sort - including the weather - until these men are freed.
MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
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MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
Where you and I might differ, wizardzz, is that some sort of blowback should happen for those careless scientists who like to bandy about as 'facts' those things that are only best 'guesses'. I know the power is enticing, but they need to resist or face the consequences. Where did the people get the idea that the local scientists could predict an earthquake or call an all clear? Nobody can do that with 100% accuracy. As someone who has watched many of our freedoms errode because a board of unelected scientists have decided what is good for me or what is not good for me - well, I'm glad to see some blowback for the arrogance. That said, I don't see what these guys could have done to avoid jail. People are dangerous to lead.
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
Nihil obstat
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
Nihil obstat
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And what does that have to do with the court case? It's a populist bandwagon that runs the risk of becoming the new Godwin's law.
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MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
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"Six Italian scientists and an ex-government official have been sentenced to six years in prison over the 2009 deadly earthquake in L'Aquila. A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter" :wtf: They should have put to trial all the engineers and building contractor who did not do their jobs of designing and building that can withstand earthquakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20025626[^]
Nihil obstat
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They are priests, and many remain priests. It's a title bestowed upon them. The point of my post is that they are protected via religion, while scientists go to jail for doing nothing.
Yes, let's be pedantic and not see the point.
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The issue was more the fact that, despite a number of earth tremors, the members of the Major Risks Committee assured the local people that there was no threat. In the event it was a major earthquake which they should have anticipated, or at least warned as a potential risk.
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And what does that have to do with the court case? It's a populist bandwagon that runs the risk of becoming the new Godwin's law.
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MehGerbil wrote:
if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued
Most unlikely, all the locals knew that there had been a number of recent tremors. All they wanted to know was whether it was safe to stay in their houses, or should they keep outdoors as much as possible. Having followed the advice of the "experts" quite a few lost their lives. That surely is as close to criminal negligence as you can get.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
Really? Is there any proof that those people who lost there lives would have done something different and therefore would not have lost their lives? Chances are even if they had done something different some of them would have lost their lives anyway. Stupid ruling. The science is inexact.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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MehGerbil wrote:
The problem I see here is that if they would have warned of a risk and a panic ensued they'd have been found guilty of something else entirely.
Exactly, and then if the quake never came, they'd be sitting in jail like they are now. There is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable, while people like the head of FEMA during Katrina sit free.
wizardzz wrote:
here is no way they can be liable for what is unpredictable
Agreed. This is stupid.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Unfortunately, we now live in a world where people believe they have to blame someone for everything, including natural disasters. For some reason people need to be TOLD what to do. I just don't understand this way of thinking.
It's what you get with a Nanny State as with most of Europe.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
People in the area of Katrina were warned to get out. Don't blame FEMA for people not believing what they were told.
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It's quite relevant to the title or the OP; but more-so the justice system of the country where these scientists were convicted.
wizardzz wrote:
It's quite relevant to the title
Errm, no it's not. There was absolutely sod all to do with religion in the verdict, the article or even the case itself. By all means, trash peado (not pedo - that's to do with feet) priests in the Soapbox, but keep the lounge free from it.
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Really? Is there any proof that those people who lost there lives would have done something different and therefore would not have lost their lives? Chances are even if they had done something different some of them would have lost their lives anyway. Stupid ruling. The science is inexact.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
wizardzz wrote:
It's quite relevant to the title
Errm, no it's not. There was absolutely sod all to do with religion in the verdict, the article or even the case itself. By all means, trash peado (not pedo - that's to do with feet) priests in the Soapbox, but keep the lounge free from it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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