Microsoft VS CodeProject....
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Don't you just hate that? What's a discussion forum but to disagree... *sigh* I will be sure to write something more contentious next time, ok? ;P But thanks for the support :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
LOL - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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I was sitting on the thrown this morning doing some thinking and watching my stocks crap out. And I wondered..... If all the talented minds of CodeProject did a vulcan mind meld, could we create an operating system that could be a competitor to Win9x for the x86 platform and also be compatible with the existing applications, as a replacement OS for the mass populus.(Linux and MacOS are alternatives, so they don't count) I'm talking a compatible OS that could sell for $19.95 + shipping :cool: CodeProject 'Shutters 2001 Beta 1' :eek: (yeah,yeah, yeah... besides MS's proprietary API's DLL's, Secret's....) what do you think, Could it be done.
To create a great product you would need one or two project architects who are the "visionaries" of the project, and can understand both the technical aspects of such an endeavor and also the marketing forces that operate on the economy. Bill Gates had both qualities when Microsoft got started. Besides being smart and knowing what the world wanted, the window of opportunity was just right at the time. So if someone else had the chance to also get their OS to be installed on every manufacturer's PC, then who knows ... they could've bought out Microsoft or squished them before they even had a chance to really enter the market.
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I was sitting on the thrown this morning doing some thinking and watching my stocks crap out. And I wondered..... If all the talented minds of CodeProject did a vulcan mind meld, could we create an operating system that could be a competitor to Win9x for the x86 platform and also be compatible with the existing applications, as a replacement OS for the mass populus.(Linux and MacOS are alternatives, so they don't count) I'm talking a compatible OS that could sell for $19.95 + shipping :cool: CodeProject 'Shutters 2001 Beta 1' :eek: (yeah,yeah, yeah... besides MS's proprietary API's DLL's, Secret's....) what do you think, Could it be done.
The most recent that I've heard of is Freedows. It was supposed to be a free version of Windows, but with the added feature of hot-swappable kernels that would let you run Win, Linux and Mac programs natively, side by side. The project started in 1997. At last glance, to date, they had an os loader and part of a functional kernel. Pretty sad. It seemed like a good idea. I've just checked out freedows.org and it's not responding. Looks like they might have gone belly-up after all. There was another project that was writing an NT clone. From what I heard in 1999, they had an os loader, and a working subsystem (minus GDI) and were successfully running programs against a stubbed out gdi32.dll. The rumor at that time was that MS was going to squash them. I haven't heard about it since then (and I'm sure it would have been big news had they been successful) ;-) -Mike -Mike Stevenson CoderX@liquidmirror.com Owner, Liquid Mirror Software (http://www.liquidmirror.com) Owner, Shareware Junction (http://www.sharewarejunction.com) Owner, Internet Shopping Spree (http://www.internetshoppingspree.com/)
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I think you hit the nail on the head there: "...but I'm sure there are some _really_ good programmers working on it...". To create any programme from scratch requires a lot more than just really good programmers. A really good programmer is like a blind Michael Johson. Capable of incredible feats (is it a plane? is it a... ;)) but likely to run the wrong way without direction. I reckon to create an os from the ground up requires an inordinant amount of thinking and time, before you even start coding (ok would all the hard-core programmers about to flame me for thinking that Planning-Before-Writing-A-Single-Line-of-Code-is-good, stop right now, I do think that but we have flamed that topic to death :)). All those open source coders on Linux and what not have great minds, great skills but the direction of it is disparate and weaves between "bottom line, lets make money" and "it would be really cool to have this" or even worse "wow that is so hard to do, lets do it". Bottom line?: Microsoft have not done the best job, but they have done a better job than most in thinking out their OS. I think they and we could do a better job but only if we let go of all our preconceptions and start afresh. It would take ages and then the coding would start, which would be an incredible project to undertake. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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I was sitting on the thrown this morning doing some thinking and watching my stocks crap out. And I wondered..... If all the talented minds of CodeProject did a vulcan mind meld, could we create an operating system that could be a competitor to Win9x for the x86 platform and also be compatible with the existing applications, as a replacement OS for the mass populus.(Linux and MacOS are alternatives, so they don't count) I'm talking a compatible OS that could sell for $19.95 + shipping :cool: CodeProject 'Shutters 2001 Beta 1' :eek: (yeah,yeah, yeah... besides MS's proprietary API's DLL's, Secret's....) what do you think, Could it be done.
I envision an operating system whose interface is a first person 3D office, or home or some such place. The user boots up his computer and finds himself standing in a virtual office with various appliances and furnishings representing the hardware of his machine. A filing cabinet for a harddrive, a fax machine for a CD ROM, and Television set for his internet connection, a desktop for his "desktop". It would perhaps be pretty much the same as Windows except that instead of icons representing things, you would deal with 3D models of the things themselves. I think that would be really cool, but I am an avid gamer... Kevin Ranville
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This guy I think - Michael Johnson
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I envision an operating system whose interface is a first person 3D office, or home or some such place. The user boots up his computer and finds himself standing in a virtual office with various appliances and furnishings representing the hardware of his machine. A filing cabinet for a harddrive, a fax machine for a CD ROM, and Television set for his internet connection, a desktop for his "desktop". It would perhaps be pretty much the same as Windows except that instead of icons representing things, you would deal with 3D models of the things themselves. I think that would be really cool, but I am an avid gamer... Kevin Ranville
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If this was the case, I'd insist on having a large-breasted virtual secretary that likes wearing spandex. That way, I could swat her tight little virtual ass as she walked by. Oh wait.... that's not polically correct....
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If this was the case, I'd insist on having a large-breasted virtual secretary that likes wearing spandex. That way, I could swat her tight little virtual ass as she walked by. Oh wait.... that's not polically correct....
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I envision an operating system whose interface is a first person 3D office, or home or some such place. The user boots up his computer and finds himself standing in a virtual office with various appliances and furnishings representing the hardware of his machine. A filing cabinet for a harddrive, a fax machine for a CD ROM, and Television set for his internet connection, a desktop for his "desktop". It would perhaps be pretty much the same as Windows except that instead of icons representing things, you would deal with 3D models of the things themselves. I think that would be really cool, but I am an avid gamer... Kevin Ranville
sounds a bit like Microsoft BOB ;) actually there is a whole ton o research done on the feasability and design of a 3d operating system, much of it done by MS... every couple of months or so i try to spend a few hours worming around http://research.microsoft.com you can find some pretty wild stuff if you look hard enough -John
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sounds a bit like Microsoft BOB ;) actually there is a whole ton o research done on the feasability and design of a 3d operating system, much of it done by MS... every couple of months or so i try to spend a few hours worming around http://research.microsoft.com you can find some pretty wild stuff if you look hard enough -John
This is probably how it should have been done in the first place, but they just didn't have the technology back then so we've been stuck in the iconical interface paradigm for the past 15 years or so. Just think, the way Microsoft adds extraneous functionality to their operating systems, someone might attach a 1st person 3D shooter to an operating system like this. Wouldn't that be fun? "I have to upload a project file to an ftp server, and while I'm at it I can blow away a few terrorist scumbags storming into my operating system complex..." :-D
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Oh... I guess I'm more of a redneck than even I thought. :-) If a sports personality doesn't drive a stockcar, I'm completely cluess as to who he/she might be or what sport they're in...
Heh no worries, my dad is an athletics nut and every time someone breaks a world record he phones me and yells at me to turn on the TV. Michael Johnson tends to do that a lot. I have about as much interest in athletics as I do in learning how to cross stitch a wollen jumper... i.e. none. So you are not the only one. One day I would love for someone to tell me what a redneck in American terms is. Down here in South Africa the "natives" call us white people "Rooi Nekke" which translates to Redneck. But I always thought if you called someone a redneck in America you were likely to be ridden over by a backie (pickup I believe it is called over there ;) ). regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Heh no worries, my dad is an athletics nut and every time someone breaks a world record he phones me and yells at me to turn on the TV. Michael Johnson tends to do that a lot. I have about as much interest in athletics as I do in learning how to cross stitch a wollen jumper... i.e. none. So you are not the only one. One day I would love for someone to tell me what a redneck in American terms is. Down here in South Africa the "natives" call us white people "Rooi Nekke" which translates to Redneck. But I always thought if you called someone a redneck in America you were likely to be ridden over by a backie (pickup I believe it is called over there ;) ). regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
A "redneck" in the U.S. is typically thought of as an illiterate beer-swilling inbred homophobic chauvanistic racist that thinks working at McDonald's is white collar work and who has an unnatural love for pickup trucks, farm animals, a bass boat, and a good dog. As far as athleticism, that's out of the question. My goal is to attain a completely sedentary lifestyle by the time I'm 60. :-D
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I was sitting on the thrown this morning doing some thinking and watching my stocks crap out. And I wondered..... If all the talented minds of CodeProject did a vulcan mind meld, could we create an operating system that could be a competitor to Win9x for the x86 platform and also be compatible with the existing applications, as a replacement OS for the mass populus.(Linux and MacOS are alternatives, so they don't count) I'm talking a compatible OS that could sell for $19.95 + shipping :cool: CodeProject 'Shutters 2001 Beta 1' :eek: (yeah,yeah, yeah... besides MS's proprietary API's DLL's, Secret's....) what do you think, Could it be done.
Writing an OS isn't as easy as you might think (Even if you think it's quite difficult, it's even worse than you imagine). Making it for $19.95 is even harder, since you're talking hundreds of thousands of man hours. You will lose money, lots of it. Look how much money MS has invested in Windows NT and still is probably not breaking even on that (They make most of their money on Apps and Windows 9x). My first question to you would be: Why? Why would I buy your product instead of MS's? If it's just a clone, what's the point? You would need some compelling reason to use it. The "it's cheaper" argument won't fly. Linux is cheaper, and while some people use it because of that, most don't. Even MS has a hard time making a new OS that is completely compatible with Win9x (NT/Win2k is close, but there are many slight differences which can bite you). Application compatibility is a noose around your neck, it will kill you if you're not very careful. IBM learned that with OS/2. In order for an OS to be a replacement for the average person, it has to be pretty seamless. This is why Apple and Windows have been so succesful, the GUI environment is the OS to its users, while OS's like Linux have the GUI bolted on (which is an advantage in many ways, but not when it comes to end-users). MS learned this a long time ago.
