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  • J J4amieC

    Johnny J. wrote:

    normal persons active vocabulary

    It would to a normal person 100 years ago when the book may have been published.

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    Johnny J
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    So you mean that no author 100 years ago used unusual and hard to understand words for the average reader? Shakespeare would be disappointed to learn that, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

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    • J J4amieC

      Johnny J. wrote:

      reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes

      Thats the whole point. If you get 10,000 humans to OCR a word, and 9,500 give you the same (or similar) word you can be pretty sure they've got it right. It doesnt show a different word to every human and expect that they have it right. Sheesh. I would have thought that was obvious.

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      Johnny J
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      I didn't know that you were the lead developer on that project. Sorry to have knocked your product... ;P

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      • J Johnny J

        OriginalGriff wrote:

        reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

        I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

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        NeverJustHere
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        How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is?

        How about asking 1000 people to enter the same captcha? If one word gets the most responses, its a winner! Maybe we should all enter elephants into the reCaptchas we come across??

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          How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is?

          How about asking 1000 people to enter the same captcha? If one word gets the most responses, its a winner! Maybe we should all enter elephants into the reCaptchas we come across??

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          Johnny J
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          If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

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          • J Johnny J

            If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

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            NeverJustHere
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            I think they give you two words, one is used for security, the other only used for OCR.

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            • J J4amieC

              You realise that reCaptcha has 1 pretty readable word (that's the bit you have to fill in correctly) and one(the impossible to read part) which you are being croudsourced to parse? Its a google-owned project to digitalize old books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA[^]

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              BotCar
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              Huh, I never realized that. Now I know why it sometimes accepts my input even when I'm reasonably sure that it's wrong.

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              • J Johnny J

                If what you and Griff says is correct, then the first couple of times a given word is entered, the system will have to allow it - no matter what is entered - because it has insufficient data to compare with... How the hell is that for security? :doh:

                Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                J4amieC
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                Johnny J. wrote:

                How the hell is that for security

                If captcha's are being used for "security" then that is the real WTF! Captcha's are used to distinguish humans from computers, not to secure anything!

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                • J J4amieC

                  Johnny J. wrote:

                  How the hell is that for security

                  If captcha's are being used for "security" then that is the real WTF! Captcha's are used to distinguish humans from computers, not to secure anything!

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                  Johnny J
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                  Apparently that's a matter of definiton. I call distinguishing humans from computers for security, obviously you don't think so... :confused:

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                  Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                  Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                  Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                  • J Johnny J

                    I didn't know that you were the lead developer on that project. Sorry to have knocked your product... ;P

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                    Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                    Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                    Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                    CMullikin
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                    Johnny J. wrote:

                    lead developer on that project.

                    No, but this guy[^] was...

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                    • P PaulowniaK

                      I'm rubbish at them "figure out what this mangled collection of letters and numbers say" thing that supposedly tells a website whether you are a robot. Is it just me that find them too confusing?

                      Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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                      They had that conversation about Sheldon too... I don't think a consensus was arrived at, and Sheldon remains conflicted.

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                      • J Johnny J

                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        reCaptcha is an attempt to use humans to digitise books that have already failed OCR

                        I don't believe that for a second. First of all: reCaptcha will accept your input even if it's not 100% correct making the input text unusable for "human OCR" purposes. Second: How can reCaptcha tell if the input is correct or not if it doesn't even know itself what the text is? :doh:

                        Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                        Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
                        -----
                        Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
                        -----
                        Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932

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                        Matthys Terblanche
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                        I'm a blind person and obviously sites using capchas without offering an audio alternative is a total bust. Sites like Linkedin which I was foolish enough to register on offers an audio alternative, but I am convinced that nobody in this whole wide world will be able to make out any word in the gibberish sound clip. And guess what, you need to fill in the capcha randomly when logging in. Since I can't get logged in, I can't cancel my membership. Evin if I could get in I guess I'll have another one when trying to unregister. :sigh: :doh:

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