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  • B Brady Kelly

    That's where good auto-complete, like Intellisense and ReSharper rock. You don't have to type or paste long names.

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    Mark_Wallace
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    But if all pasting is disabled, intellisense, etc, won't work. I'm sure that there'll be a patch on hakka sites within a month, though.

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      But if all pasting is disabled, intellisense, etc, won't work. I'm sure that there'll be a patch on hakka sites within a month, though.

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      Brady Kelly
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      Does Intellisense paste? I would have thought it directly modified the text in the active code module.

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      • S Super Lloyd

        I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

        A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Rapid Application Development would also be in a distant past. :laugh:

        People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.

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        • B Brady Kelly

          Does Intellisense paste? I would have thought it directly modified the text in the active code module.

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          Mark_Wallace
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          By retrieving characters from a mini-db and pasting them, maybe? (Paste just cats; the display on the screen is updated afterward.)

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • S Super Lloyd

            I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

            A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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            Mycroft Holmes
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            I will then create a text injection tool that circumvents the paste restriction. Although I will not make any money because I type too slow and will be beaten to market by approx 6,348 alternative tools. And yes you are just getting old and grumpy, welcome to the club!

            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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            • S Super Lloyd

              I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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              Lost User
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              Nice idea, but that won't work for C#. Generics are too constrained to take care of a large enough portion of "near duplication", and there are no macros to take care of the rest.

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              • S Super Lloyd

                I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                Nagy Vilmos
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                Super Lloyd wrote:

                maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                It's not old age, just experience and wisdom.


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                • S Super Lloyd

                  I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                  A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                  megaadam
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                  Ah, at last a Silver Bullet.

                  Life is too shor

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                  • S Super Lloyd

                    I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                    A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                    Chris Meech
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                    Will we be able to use it to copy files? :)

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                    • S Super Lloyd

                      I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                      A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                      I used to think it was me, but in the C# IDE, intellisense is way to intrusive. I have been using C++ the last week and it is perfect. Perfect. Very non-intrusive but there when you need it. Not fair.

                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                      • S Super Lloyd

                        I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                        A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                        wizardzz
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                        Good God, I wish I could do that for the new guy here. It's one thing to copy and paste code, it's another to copy and paste code, have no idea how or why it works (and sometimes fails), and still declare "Look, I finished it already!".

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                        • S Super Lloyd

                          I have an idea about a revolutionary IDE that will make people write more beautiful less bloated code! Yep you read that well!! The tool that everybody has been waiting for and I'm going to unveil to the wold (and you) what it is!!! Well it's very simple. I'll take an open source IDE, say SharpDevelop, and then... I will remove the paste operation from all text editor. This way every single line of code will have to be typed manually!!!! Forcing developer to think on how to write more lean code and maybe use multiple function instead of multiple copy/paste!!! Argh.. trying to get to understand one of those... maybe it's just old age, but those 300 lines long methods really grate me!

                          A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                          BillWoodruff
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                          Quick, Super Lloyd, it looks like the domain names: supernodupe.com supernopaste.com May be available (no site found: I didn't check a domain registrar site). best, Bill

                          ~ "access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." The future as envisioned by Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google.

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                            Quick, Super Lloyd, it looks like the domain names: supernodupe.com supernopaste.com May be available (no site found: I didn't check a domain registrar site). best, Bill

                            ~ "access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." The future as envisioned by Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google.

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                            Super Lloyd
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                            Awesome, I hurry buying them! ^^

                            A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                            • S SockPuppeteer

                              would be a good idea if it wasn't for the fact that half the developers wold then use names like 'A' and 'A1' to save them having to type stuff.

                              .\\axxx

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                              Mike Winiberg
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                              Oh yes! I employed someone once who created some really complex graphics manipulation code littered with variables: x, xx, xxx, xxxx and y, yy, yyy, yyyy and just occasionally i,ii,iii,iiii and j,jj,jjj,jjjj Made obfuscated code look readable!

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                              • B Brady Kelly

                                That's where good auto-complete, like Intellisense and ReSharper rock. You don't have to type or paste long names.

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                                w peuker
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                                autocompletion is the next to disable :-) We should never be allowed to write faster than we can think.

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                                • M Mark_Wallace

                                  By retrieving characters from a mini-db and pasting them, maybe? (Paste just cats; the display on the screen is updated afterward.)

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Rob Grainger
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                                  Except that your clipboard is unaffected, hence this is not a paste operation, but an insert operation.

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                                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                    I used to think it was me, but in the C# IDE, intellisense is way to intrusive. I have been using C++ the last week and it is perfect. Perfect. Very non-intrusive but there when you need it. Not fair.

                                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                                    Gary Wheeler
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                                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                    C# IDE, intellisense is way too intrusive

                                    Hmm. I thought so at first, but I started adapting my typing to rely on Intellisense. The process of creating code is a lot faster now, and it's easier to use more uniform naming (fewer abbreviations). When I work on C++ it's now a little frustrating because the Intellisense support is so poor. I'd love to have Visual Assist, which apparently fixes a lot of this, but there's no way I'd be able to get the company to buy it and it's a tad expensive to buy for myself ($249) just to use at work.

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                                    • M Mike Winiberg

                                      Oh yes! I employed someone once who created some really complex graphics manipulation code littered with variables: x, xx, xxx, xxxx and y, yy, yyy, yyyy and just occasionally i,ii,iii,iiii and j,jj,jjj,jjjj Made obfuscated code look readable!

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                                      TRK3
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                                      What's wrong with x, y and i, j? If you name your coordinates anything other than x and y then you are obfuscating your code. If you use anything other than i and j to iterate over the x and y axes you are obfuscating your code. Those names have been idiomatic since we graduated from assembler. I prefer x1, y1 over xx, yy, but that's opinion and I certainly wouldn't fault somebody else for chosing xx over x1.

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                                      • T TRK3

                                        What's wrong with x, y and i, j? If you name your coordinates anything other than x and y then you are obfuscating your code. If you use anything other than i and j to iterate over the x and y axes you are obfuscating your code. Those names have been idiomatic since we graduated from assembler. I prefer x1, y1 over xx, yy, but that's opinion and I certainly wouldn't fault somebody else for chosing xx over x1.

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                                        Mike Winiberg
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                                        Hmm, I think you miss my point - there were no comments, no indication of the use or meaning of the various x, xx etc. I cannot really believe that having multiple nested levels of loops and conditions containing only variables of those names can possibly be considered in any way 'good code'...

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                                        • M Mike Winiberg

                                          Hmm, I think you miss my point - there were no comments, no indication of the use or meaning of the various x, xx etc. I cannot really believe that having multiple nested levels of loops and conditions containing only variables of those names can possibly be considered in any way 'good code'...

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                                          TRK3
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                                          Actually I was half sarcastic... I can picture the nested loops that caused the writer to resort to x, xx, xxx, xxxx (in fact I think I was guilty of that code 20 years ago) and you are right, that isn't good code...

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