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Is zero an even number?

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  • R RugbyLeague

    is zero even a number?

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    Dalek Dave
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    Yes and No. It is sometimes a number, sometimes simply a digit and sometimes a place holder. Occasionally it is not a number whilst acting as a number for the purposes of providing a convenient value. I can sometimes be an integer and sometimes a complex number. I think you need to define the question better.

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    • B Brady Kelly

      1 + ∞ != ∞ :)

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      Dalek Dave
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      You do have to make the distinction between large infinities and small infinities.

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        Only people who cannot count would consider zero as anything other than even. It is the most even of all the even numbers, and there are so many ways of describing it as even that it is pointless to try. It is also the reason why the number of even numbers is bigger than the number of odd numbers, and yet they are both infinite.

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        Ah yes, ad hominem attacks, the proof of accountants! ;)

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        • D Dalek Dave

          You do have to make the distinction between large infinities and small infinities.

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          Brady Kelly
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          Sure, but does adding or subtracting 1 make a small infinity large or a large small, respectively? Douglas Hofstadter has quite a nice basic intro to differences between infinities in Gödel, Escher, Bach.[^]

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            1 + ∞ != ∞ :)

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            peterchen
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            That's what you get when you mix set cardinality with count.

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              Sure, but does adding or subtracting 1 make a small infinity large or a large small, respectively? Douglas Hofstadter has quite a nice basic intro to differences between infinities in Gödel, Escher, Bach.[^]

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              The difference is always in the definition. Like the Infinite Hotel Paradox or the differences between the sets of a Natural Number Infinity and a Real Number Infinity. In both cases one of the infinities is larger than the other. In the first it is Exactly Double the size, and in the seconds it is Infinitely Bigger. Similarly, the difference between the Set Of Natural Numbers that are odd and the Set of Natural Numbers that are even is one, even though both of them are infinitely large.

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                The difference is always in the definition. Like the Infinite Hotel Paradox or the differences between the sets of a Natural Number Infinity and a Real Number Infinity. In both cases one of the infinities is larger than the other. In the first it is Exactly Double the size, and in the seconds it is Infinitely Bigger. Similarly, the difference between the Set Of Natural Numbers that are odd and the Set of Natural Numbers that are even is one, even though both of them are infinitely large.

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                :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  Only people who cannot count would consider zero as anything other than even. It is the most even of all the even numbers, and there are so many ways of describing it as even that it is pointless to try. It is also the reason why the number of even numbers is bigger than the number of odd numbers, and yet they are both infinite.

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                  soap brain
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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  It is also the reason why the number of even numbers is bigger than the number of odd numbers, and yet they are both infinite.

                  In what sense? The sets of odd and even numbers have the same cardinality and asymptotic density.

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                    Superstorm Sandy had many consequences, some easier to foresee than others. Millions experienced floods and power cuts, the New York marathon was cancelled, and pictures of sharks in the city appeared on the internet. Another outcome was to draw attention to the unique position of the number zero.

                    A fun bit of silliness for Monday morning. BTW, the answer is yes.


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                    Menelaos Vergis
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                    This concept begins with integers. An even number is an integer that is "evenly divisible" by 2, i.e., divisible by 2 without remainder; an odd number is an integer that is not evenly divisible by 2. ref Even_number

                    0/2 = 0 but 0.0/2 = 0.0 and if 0 is a number then '.0' is a remainder thus 0 is an odd number :P

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                      This concept begins with integers. An even number is an integer that is "evenly divisible" by 2, i.e., divisible by 2 without remainder; an odd number is an integer that is not evenly divisible by 2. ref Even_number

                      0/2 = 0 but 0.0/2 = 0.0 and if 0 is a number then '.0' is a remainder thus 0 is an odd number :P

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                      Not a real example, it is non-calculable. The mathematical term is 'Indeterminate' Here is another paradox... X/∞ = 0 Therefore X = ∞ . 0 But then X would be the same for any value of X, and that is plainly wrong.

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                        Aunty[^]:

                        Superstorm Sandy had many consequences, some easier to foresee than others. Millions experienced floods and power cuts, the New York marathon was cancelled, and pictures of sharks in the city appeared on the internet. Another outcome was to draw attention to the unique position of the number zero.

                        A fun bit of silliness for Monday morning. BTW, the answer is yes.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        How was there even any doubt about it?

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                          Only people who cannot count would consider zero as anything other than even. It is the most even of all the even numbers, and there are so many ways of describing it as even that it is pointless to try. It is also the reason why the number of even numbers is bigger than the number of odd numbers, and yet they are both infinite.

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                          Colin Mullikin
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                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          the number of even numbers is bigger than the number of odd numbers, and yet they are both infinite.

                          That's one of my favorites to bring up to non-math people.... You can tell that their brain hurts... :laugh:

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                            How was there even any doubt about it?

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                            Colin Mullikin
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                            I know. I find it pretty odd as well...

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                              I know. I find it pretty odd as well...

                              The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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                              Oh you[^]

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                                Oh you[^]

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                                Colin Mullikin
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                                :thumbsup: :laugh:

                                The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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