That joke doesn't seem so funny now does it?
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lewax00 wrote:
but I don't see why someone would commit suicide over that.
Because she took her work seriously - and a breach of patient/nurse confidentiallity is likely to be taken seriously? Because she felt humiliated, and this was all over the news, probably internationally?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she took her work seriously - and a breach of patient/nurse confidentiallity is likely to be taken seriously?
Worst case she has to find a new career (but I'm guessing unless this isn't the first time she probably wouldn't get much more than reprimand or temporary suspension). Would you kill yourself if you got fired?
Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she felt humiliated, and this was all over the news, probably internationally?
People will forget about it within a couple years. Everyone makes mistakes, most people feel bad about it, then they get over it, as does everyone else around them. It just doesn't seem like enough to want to find such a permanent way out.
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Nurse victim [^]of prank call commits suicide. I bet them DJ's are regretting it now, although obviously they couldn't have forseen that consequence.
It is humour driven by laziness to prank unwitting participants. Radio shows have to produce so much material every day, they can't depend on actual comedy, and resort to a hack method. People are becoming way to sensitive, but "comedians" are also increasingly using the guise of comedy to be assholes.
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From here on in, I'm sticking to fart gags.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Farts are funny!
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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It is humour driven by laziness to prank unwitting participants. Radio shows have to produce so much material every day, they can't depend on actual comedy, and resort to a hack method. People are becoming way to sensitive, but "comedians" are also increasingly using the guise of comedy to be assholes.
Personally I think it's a**holes are using the guise of comedy to be a**holes. We've heard them... "C'mon! Can't you take a joke?" a**holes! :mad:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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It is humour driven by laziness to prank unwitting participants. Radio shows have to produce so much material every day, they can't depend on actual comedy, and resort to a hack method. People are becoming way to sensitive, but "comedians" are also increasingly using the guise of comedy to be assholes.
I once had this[^] comedian do his annoying phone caller thing to me on the escalator on the Metro. I didn't want the to give him the satisfaction of getting any footage from me so I shouted "You've never been funny you fat *expletive deleted (rhymes with hunt)*" ensuring the footage is unusable in the UK. Not bad thinking as I was hammered at the time. I stand by what I said however, I never found him funny, though sadly I'm now no longer in any position to hurl fat as an insult.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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From here on in, I'm sticking to fart gags.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
800 year old farts? *reaches for suicide button*
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she took her work seriously - and a breach of patient/nurse confidentiallity is likely to be taken seriously?
Worst case she has to find a new career (but I'm guessing unless this isn't the first time she probably wouldn't get much more than reprimand or temporary suspension). Would you kill yourself if you got fired?
Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she felt humiliated, and this was all over the news, probably internationally?
People will forget about it within a couple years. Everyone makes mistakes, most people feel bad about it, then they get over it, as does everyone else around them. It just doesn't seem like enough to want to find such a permanent way out.
I find it sickening that you guys are discussing how she should have handled it after she committed suicide . The point is: She did commit suicide, then there's no point in defending the action of DJs because consequence of their action has been proven fatal. What more do you want? No matter how solid a defence the DJs have. Is such a case not warning enough to get people think twice before pulling a practical joke?
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I find it sickening that you guys are discussing how she should have handled it after she committed suicide . The point is: She did commit suicide, then there's no point in defending the action of DJs because consequence of their action has been proven fatal. What more do you want? No matter how solid a defence the DJs have. Is such a case not warning enough to get people think twice before pulling a practical joke?
polarboy wrote:
I find it sickening
Do you want to try again without obviously abandoning reason in favour of emotions? At least be sneaky about it, that way there is at least some challenge in arguing. This way you already lost in the first four words.
polarboy wrote:
What more do you want?
I want a pony. Ok, more seriously: I want people to not start throwing blame around just because someone died. Their action has been proven fatal? Please. The woman gave no explanation (AFAIK), so this is all just post hoc ergo propter hoc. Is her death related to the prank call anyway? It seems likely.. but that's too bad then.
polarboy wrote:
Is such a case not warning enough to get people think twice before pulling a practical joke?
OK there you may have a point. I'm sure they would still have done it after thinking twice, however. The risk was, as far as they could have known, simply too low.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she took her work seriously - and a breach of patient/nurse confidentiallity is likely to be taken seriously?
Worst case she has to find a new career (but I'm guessing unless this isn't the first time she probably wouldn't get much more than reprimand or temporary suspension). Would you kill yourself if you got fired?
Keith Barrow wrote:
Because she felt humiliated, and this was all over the news, probably internationally?
People will forget about it within a couple years. Everyone makes mistakes, most people feel bad about it, then they get over it, as does everyone else around them. It just doesn't seem like enough to want to find such a permanent way out.
lewax00 wrote:
Would you kill yourself if you got fired?
It's among the most common reasons for male suicide: Based on studies by Professor John Macdonald, Co director of the Men’s Health Information and Resource Centre (MHIRC) in Australia and Thomas Joiner, Ph.D, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, it appears the two primary reasons causing the vast majority of male suicides are modern marriage (sometimes called marriage 2.0 on The Spearhead) and unemployment. Male Suicide Rates and Causes[^]
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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I find it sickening that you guys are discussing how she should have handled it after she committed suicide . The point is: She did commit suicide, then there's no point in defending the action of DJs because consequence of their action has been proven fatal. What more do you want? No matter how solid a defence the DJs have. Is such a case not warning enough to get people think twice before pulling a practical joke?
polarboy wrote:
The point is: She did commit suicide, then there's no point in defending the action of DJs because consequence of their action has been proven fatal.
My intent wasn't to defend the DJs, but since you bring it up, I'd hardly blame them. It was her choice to kill herself, not theirs. Blaming suicide on anyone but the person committing it is ridiculous. Should they have done the prank? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean they should be blamed for her death. They had no reason to expect someone might kill themselves a result. They had no cruel intentions and people get pranked over the phone all the time and the worst that happens is someone gets angry. I don't see a reason why the possibility should have ever occurred to them. There's also the possibility that their action was the final straw in a series of events, but there's no way they could have known that, and then everyone involved in every other factor of it should be blamed too.
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From here on in, I'm sticking to fart gags.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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lewax00 wrote:
Would you kill yourself if you got fired?
It's among the most common reasons for male suicide: Based on studies by Professor John Macdonald, Co director of the Men’s Health Information and Resource Centre (MHIRC) in Australia and Thomas Joiner, Ph.D, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, it appears the two primary reasons causing the vast majority of male suicides are modern marriage (sometimes called marriage 2.0 on The Spearhead) and unemployment. Male Suicide Rates and Causes[^]
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Reading that it still looks like that reason isn't generally enough on it's own. I guess my point is that I feel like there's probably more to her reasons we don't know, and the media are trying to sensationalize it and make it sound like the prank is the only reason. I find it hard to believe a an otherwise happy and mentally healthy person would commit suicide over something like that.
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Turn the on votes just for that one! :laugh: +5
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Reading that it still looks like that reason isn't generally enough on it's own. I guess my point is that I feel like there's probably more to her reasons we don't know, and the media are trying to sensationalize it and make it sound like the prank is the only reason. I find it hard to believe a an otherwise happy and mentally healthy person would commit suicide over something like that.
lewax00 wrote:
I find it hard to believe a an otherwise happy and mentally healthy person would commit suicide over something like that.
Probably not, but then More than 1 in 10 take antidepressants[^] - perhaps something that they should have taken into consideration when they decided to make a fool out of somebody on a live show. This is something funny[^], what they did wasn't ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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From here on in, I'm sticking to fart gags.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
You really do not want things to stick after a fart!
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Nurse victim [^]of prank call commits suicide. I bet them DJ's are regretting it now, although obviously they couldn't have forseen that consequence.
I'm skeptical. Mentally healthy people don't commit suicide because they are embarrassed. In fact, even mentally unstable people don't do that. People commit suicide for many other reasons. Yet, in our drive for reason, we often create causative effects where there are none. Just because two events coincide doesn't mean one caused the other. A genuine concern is that by making a likely false connection, they miss other things, perhaps even foul play or something as innocuous as food poisoning or a mistake in medication. If suicide, it often trivializes the true struggles of the person.
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Nurse victim [^]of prank call commits suicide. I bet them DJ's are regretting it now, although obviously they couldn't have forseen that consequence.
Apparently most of you don't have very good reading comprehension skills...
BBC News wrote:
BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he understood Mrs Saldanha - who was staying in hospital accommodation close to King Edward VII hospital - was the person who answered the call from the Australian DJs and was not the nurse who discussed the duchess's medical condition.
She's not even the one that gave out the information. All she did was answer the call and hand it off to someone else... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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It is humour driven by laziness to prank unwitting participants. Radio shows have to produce so much material every day, they can't depend on actual comedy, and resort to a hack method. People are becoming way to sensitive, but "comedians" are also increasingly using the guise of comedy to be assholes.
I have always hated prank calls, never found one funny. They are designed to humiliate the recipient and encourage others to laugh at them. I defend almost all comedy, but prank calls should be covered by some sort of law the same as any other malicious communications.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
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Reading that it still looks like that reason isn't generally enough on it's own. I guess my point is that I feel like there's probably more to her reasons we don't know, and the media are trying to sensationalize it and make it sound like the prank is the only reason. I find it hard to believe a an otherwise happy and mentally healthy person would commit suicide over something like that.
The media reaction no doubt played some part, I wonder how many calls she's had, how many journalists and photographers she's had on her doorstep since it happened. Large parts of the British press will be rubbing their hands in glee at this sensational new twist prolonging the story and allowing them to morolise at everyone else.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
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I have always hated prank calls, never found one funny. They are designed to humiliate the recipient and encourage others to laugh at them. I defend almost all comedy, but prank calls should be covered by some sort of law the same as any other malicious communications.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]