Terrible story unfolding...
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Facts aren't important to the anti-gun crowd.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Neither to the pro-gun crowd... except for their "freedom" to have one. I think that, right now, it's pretty easy to have someone to attack you with a gun or a knife (well, not THAT easy, but we are in context right here)... why don't regulate at least the most dangerous of them? But, hey, I'm from México... so I only care about this because I'm a father and the story is freakin painful... so, have the laws that you want/deserve.
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That's true for the UK. But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all. It's easy to sit in a country where most people abide by the law and talk about banning guns for those who have to live among a high number of criminals.
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RugbyLeague wrote:
Gun control is the only solution
Yeah sure: Winnenden school shooting[^]. [edit] And how could I forget Mr Breivik[^]
You seem to be under the impression that guns should be available because other people go beserk with guns
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I'm advocating remote decentralized teaching/learning.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Yeah, best keep the kids away from school so people can have their guns
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I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun. If I was in the USA I daresay I could get hold of a gun very easily. Gun control is the only solution
RugbyLeague wrote:
I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun
Here you go. Took me about 30 seconds. http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/find-us/[^] But thankfully the UK has outlawed google for criminals.
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jth42 wrote:
But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all.
Sorry, but that's not true... Besides, the ammo is pretty dificult to get too...
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You could try a society that isn't awash with guns. Works everywhere else in the world ( not ALL the time, but often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare, I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Works everywhere else in the world
I would certainly like to see proof of that.
Christian Graus wrote:
I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined
And I would suppose that is a cultural thing and not an availability thing. I would suspect that if you could make all the guns disappear in the US that there would be a rapid rise in deaths from other methods such as knives.
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RugbyLeague wrote:
I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun
Here you go. Took me about 30 seconds. http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/find-us/[^] But thankfully the UK has outlawed google for criminals.
Did you miss this bit: "Due to current UK Laws we are unable to sell any firearm directly through our website, as we need to see an original firearms certificate."
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Yayozama wrote:
Sorry, but that's not true...
Besides, the ammo is pretty dificult to get tooSo what are they killing all of those people with?
Well, you seem to be confusing the organized crime (drug delears, narcos, mafia, cartels, etc...) with "normal" people... All that criminals bring their guns and ammo from USA, all the "small" criminals need to buy their guns and ammo in the streets, wich is very difficult to do. You don't hear about someone going postal in my country (I'm not saying that someone can't get a gun and kill someone else, but it's not as frecuent as in your country). All that massive killings (wich are very ashamed of, btw) are part of vendettas between 2 or more cartels (or people related to them).
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Christian Graus wrote:
Works everywhere else in the world
I would certainly like to see proof of that.
Christian Graus wrote:
I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined
And I would suppose that is a cultural thing and not an availability thing. I would suspect that if you could make all the guns disappear in the US that there would be a rapid rise in deaths from other methods such as knives.
jschell wrote:
And I would suppose that is a cultural thing and not an availability thing.
It is clearly both. Your cultural issues would not result in shootings, if there were not guns that were easy to get. Duh.
jschell wrote:
I would suspect that if you could make all the guns disappear in the US that there would be a rapid rise in deaths from other methods such as knives.
You'd have to be bloody quick to kill 26 kids in a school with a knife, without someone stopping you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Neither to the pro-gun crowd... except for their "freedom" to have one. I think that, right now, it's pretty easy to have someone to attack you with a gun or a knife (well, not THAT easy, but we are in context right here)... why don't regulate at least the most dangerous of them? But, hey, I'm from México... so I only care about this because I'm a father and the story is freakin painful... so, have the laws that you want/deserve.
Yayozama wrote:
why don't regulate at least the most dangerous of them?
They already are. They're called NFA Title 2 weapons. Look it up.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Yeah, best keep the kids away from school so people can have their guns
A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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jth42 wrote:
But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all.
Sorry, but that's not true... Besides, the ammo is pretty dificult to get too...
*Law abiding* citizens obey the law, and become victims of the bad guys that don't (the drug cartels).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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You could try a society that isn't awash with guns. Works everywhere else in the world ( not ALL the time, but often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare, I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
You could try a society that isn't awash with guns. Works everywhere else in the world ( not ALL the time, but often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare
Conversely, OUR laws don't work all of the time, but they do often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare.
Christian Graus wrote:
I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined )
"I bet" is the gun grabber's more vague version of "statistics show that...". They are willing to neither actually bet, or cite the study that provided the "statistics".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Christian Graus wrote:
You could try a society that isn't awash with guns. Works everywhere else in the world ( not ALL the time, but often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare
Conversely, OUR laws don't work all of the time, but they do often enough to make these sort of events extremely rare.
Christian Graus wrote:
I bet the US has more acts of random violence in schools than the rest of the world combined )
"I bet" is the gun grabber's more vague version of "statistics show that...". They are willing to neither actually bet, or cite the study that provided the "statistics".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting[^] Compare the other lists to the fact that the USA needs it's own page, and the list there, dwarfs all the others combined.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Presumably this guy was part of a well regulated militia
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Presumably this guy was part of a well regulated militia
When you run out of viable arguments, you start to make smart-ass remarks.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Did you miss this bit: "Due to current UK Laws we are unable to sell any firearm directly through our website, as we need to see an original firearms certificate."
RugbyLeague wrote:
Did you miss this bit:
Since that had nothing to do with the your posting what does it have to do with my response? You said "if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun" I showed you exactly where one could get a gun.
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Well, you seem to be confusing the organized crime (drug delears, narcos, mafia, cartels, etc...) with "normal" people... All that criminals bring their guns and ammo from USA, all the "small" criminals need to buy their guns and ammo in the streets, wich is very difficult to do. You don't hear about someone going postal in my country (I'm not saying that someone can't get a gun and kill someone else, but it's not as frecuent as in your country). All that massive killings (wich are very ashamed of, btw) are part of vendettas between 2 or more cartels (or people related to them).
Yayozama wrote:
Well, you seem to be confusing the organized crime (drug delears, narcos, mafia, cartels, etc...) with "normal" people...
I am not "confusing" anything. A lot of people are dying by being shot. So your claim is obviously specious since certainly people can get guns and ammunition. And it appears a lot of them can get them. And the fact that there are illegal doesn't seem to stop people dieing from them.
Yayozama wrote:
You don't hear about someone going postal in my country
There is NO direct correlation between guns themselves and mass shootings. That is a cultural difference. Obviously more guns means more possibilities but the cultural is the driving force.
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Yayozama wrote:
Well, you seem to be confusing the organized crime (drug delears, narcos, mafia, cartels, etc...) with "normal" people...
I am not "confusing" anything. A lot of people are dying by being shot. So your claim is obviously specious since certainly people can get guns and ammunition. And it appears a lot of them can get them. And the fact that there are illegal doesn't seem to stop people dieing from them.
Yayozama wrote:
You don't hear about someone going postal in my country
There is NO direct correlation between guns themselves and mass shootings. That is a cultural difference. Obviously more guns means more possibilities but the cultural is the driving force.
jschell wrote:
A lot of people are dying by being shot. So your claim is obviously specious since certainly people can get guns and ammunition. And it appears a lot of them can get them.
And the fact that there are illegal doesn't seem to stop people dieing from them.Look, I'm not telling (as you can see in my other messages) that people can't get a gun in my country... that would be ridiculous. What I'm saying is [and here is where I don't understand your "specious" claim] that most of the news that you hear about people diying in violents acts (related to guns) are because of the war between the drug cartels and/or the police. And if you believe that THOSE guns were purchased in the streets, sorry, you are wrong.
jschell wrote:
There is NO direct correlation between guns themselves and mass shootings. That is a cultural difference. Obviously more guns means more possibilities but the cultural is the driving force.
Yes, I can understand your point... but if your culture actually involve a [relative] lot of people using to harm others [kids in this case!!!], why can't you get a little more laws to actually get a gun? Again, look... I'm not criticising all of you [pro or anti gun], because I don't live in your country. I'm only saying what it would be my stance if I were. Like I said to JSOP: your laws, for good or for worse... so be it.