Mobile phones 'may trigger Alzheimer's'

Brian Delahunty

Colin Davies wrote: They are always finding excuses for teenagers behaviors. Soon we will they using this as a legal defense. :-D... Yes.. I used my mobile phone for 20 minutes before I apparently robbed that store.. I really can't remember what happened. I wasn't myself. It's all a blurr.... Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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peterchen

well, rats are not *that* different, and the article states nothing definite whether the amount of radiation has been scaled down. Even if not: The brain doesn't repair well. What's gone is gone. So even if the killed percentage is less for humans, the total amoun would roughly be the same. There is simply no chance for a "tolerable threshold". Oh, and if you want an animal really close to you, you should take pigs, not gorillas. (That's not an insult, trust me ;) ) Daniel Turini wrote: How can you be sure the microwaves of cell phones can pass through hair, skin and skull to even be measurable inside a human skull with this experiment? How do you think they could not? Neither of these poses a serious stopper. Unless, you consider using a metallic hair gel from now on ;)

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Daniel Turini

peterchen wrote: Oh, and if you want an animal really close to you, you should take pigs, not gorillas. (That's not an insult, trust me ) :) What I really opposed to is using rats for an experiment with a high dependency of physical factors. It's like making crash tests with rats. Even if you scale down the car, the results are not reliable. That's why I suggested a monkey or a gorilla. Ok, it wheights much more than (most of :) ) us. peterchen wrote: How do you think they could not? Neither of these poses a serious stopper. Unless, you consider using a metallic hair gel from now on Even tree leaves can reflect the waves from a cell phone. Try to talk on your cell in a forest and you'll understand what I mean. I see dumb people

Daniel Turini

Colin Davies wrote: What they should do is strap a cellphone onto a 1000 teenagers for a year and see what difference it makes. And of course choose a control group that they don't have access to a mobile. Well, in case of teenagers, I think Britney Spears can cause a lot more of brain cell damage :) But 1000 teenagers would be a good start. I see dumb people

peterchen

The point of that experiment was that the heating caused by cell phone transmitterss really does kill brain cells - this is a core point of the discussion. "It gets a little bit warmer, who cares?" vs. "The human body doesn't dissipate local heating very well, and we don't know the effects". And rats brain cells aren't that much different from human ones - and the effect of cell phone radiation on brain cells is what the study is about. The point you raise - absorption of hair and cranium is - to my limited knowledge - far from enough to shield the brain. I agree, rats are not suitable for this test (but can be a good indicator nonetheless). Daniel Turini wrote: Try to talk on your cell Don't have one ;)... but as much as I understand it, it's a) mostly deflection (something that doesn't work with the cell-phone-on-your-ear), b) much further away from the transmitter, c) a huge "cloud" of disturbance, compared to the few cm "cover" for the human brain. And d) forests are usually not clogged with tranceiver stations... ;) I don't put my trust into this one study, and I know that most medical studies lack advisiory in statistics and reproducability / independence setup. But it weakens one core point of the "don't harm" argumentation.

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brianwelsch

Second hand radiation? :~ BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

Roger Wright

That has got to be one of the worst reports I've ever seen. The results are inconclusive, the alleged risks are stated as double negatives, and the sample size is insignificant. It sounds like a bunch of government research money in search of a valid project. Power levels were reported as 'medium to high' and were applied to tiny tissue masses - why not just toss the poor critters in a microwave oven? You'd get the same results, just a bit faster... Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
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Roger Wright

I'm surprised that anyone can operate one in an elevator. It's practically a Faraday cage, and most elevators I've been in have non-metallic surfaces only at the top, which would direct the signal straight up! Amazing little devices... Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
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Roger Wright

Colin Davies wrote: What they should do is strap a cellphone onto a 1000 teenagers for a year and see what difference it makes. How would we detect the change? The article says that teenagers already have the mental development of 16 week old rats. Shall we test their ability to locate a MP3 player in a maze? A pizza? Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
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Lost User

So thats what they are blaming mobile phones for now ? There is always something that get pinned on mobiles :suss: The tigress is here :-D