Spam
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do believe nuking the account and messages is a valid response to spammers which seems to be what is happening,
No that is validating them. When you validate them they will continue to spam. Ignore them and move on to the next post.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI think your logic here is flawed. Responding to spammers may validate them. Who really knows what is going on in their minds. CP is a closed system where the account is nuked and the rubbish removed. This seems to be a good course of action.
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I think your logic here is flawed. Responding to spammers may validate them. Who really knows what is going on in their minds. CP is a closed system where the account is nuked and the rubbish removed. This seems to be a good course of action.
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pwasser wrote:
I think your logic here is flawed.
That is your prerogative.
pwasser wrote:
Responding to spammers may validate them.
Yes that is what they what and need.
pwasser wrote:
CP is a closed system where the account is nuked and the rubbish removed.
Only to re-emerge as another account formed to taunt you again.
pwasser wrote:
This seems to be a good course of action.
How has that worked out for you. :doh:
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Unfortunately, by recognizing these posts you are validating the spammer. It is you that is encouraging them to get another account and spam you some more. You have no one to blame but your righteous indignation. The only effective way to deal with a spammer is to ignore them. They are looking for validation and you are giving them that. I have been saying for years that if you do not validate their bad behavior they will go someplace else where they get a reaction, but some people cannot resist the urge to respond. Continue to validate them and they will continue to spam you. The choice is yours.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI've been deleting these all day in QA. I'll delete them in here, too. I had not seen them. They don't care if you answer, they just keep posting.
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That doesn't make sense. It's spam, not trolling. If the spammer (probably a bot) from a few threads down had not had his membership cancelled, he would probably have continued to post messages every few minutes for hours. i.e. the result of an "ignore and move on" policy would have necessitated everyone having to "move on" through numerous pages of the same spammed message. No-one is responding to the spammers; they're just getting reported and deleted.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
That doesn't make sense. It's spam, not trolling.
If the spammer (probably a bot) from a few threads down had not had his membership cancelled, he would probably have continued to post messages every few minutes for hours.
i.e. the result of an "ignore and move on" policy would have necessitated everyone having to "move on" through numerous pages of the same spammed message.
No-one is responding to the spammers; they're just getting reported and deleted.I don't think these are bots. They are real people with fragile egos that will cease and desist when ignored. You are entitled to your opinion, but how has that been working out for you?
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do believe nuking the account and messages is a valid response to spammers which seems to be what is happening,
No that is validating them. When you validate them they will continue to spam. Ignore them and move on to the next post.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesyou're wrong. They are spamming to advertise a service.
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I've been deleting these all day in QA. I'll delete them in here, too. I had not seen them. They don't care if you answer, they just keep posting.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've been deleting these all day in QA. I'll delete them in here, too. I had not seen them. They don't care if you answer, they just keep posting.
Kudos. They only persist because others continue to validate them.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've been deleting these all day in QA. I'll delete them in here, too. I had not seen them. They don't care if you answer, they just keep posting.
Kudos. They only persist because others continue to validate them.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesNo, they persist because they are probably being paid to do so, I doubt a bot is creating all the accounts they created. They persist to try to make sure someone sees their spam and buys their service. They persisted long before I started responding, and kept persisting, through the day. If anything, I think that they are realising that their spam will be deleted, and have moved on. It's not being done by someone trying to play a game, but for commercial reasons. Delete it before people can see, and it becomes a waste of their time
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you're wrong. They are spamming to advertise a service.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're wrong. They are spamming to advertise a service.
And if no one clicked on their link do you think they will persist?
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're wrong. They are spamming to advertise a service.
And if no one clicked on their link do you think they will persist?
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesIt takes them longer to try to measure if anyone clicked on the click through, than for them to notice their posts were all deleted as they occurred :-)
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It takes them longer to try to measure if anyone clicked on the click through, than for them to notice their posts were all deleted as they occurred :-)
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Christian Graus wrote:
It takes them longer to try to measure if anyone clicked on the click through, than for them to notice their posts were all deleted as they occurred
Really?
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I do believe nuking the account and messages is a valid response to spammers which seems to be what is happening,
No that is validating them. When you validate them they will continue to spam. Ignore them and move on to the next post.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesHave you seen the forums where they are not moderated, you move on as you cannot find anything but spam. I think you are mixing trolls and spammers! Spammers get nuked, trolls get ignored.
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Christian Graus wrote:
It takes them longer to try to measure if anyone clicked on the click through, than for them to notice their posts were all deleted as they occurred
Really?
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesOnce it gets to the point that they are all deleted in under a minute, quite plainly.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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No, they persist because they are probably being paid to do so, I doubt a bot is creating all the accounts they created. They persist to try to make sure someone sees their spam and buys their service. They persisted long before I started responding, and kept persisting, through the day. If anything, I think that they are realising that their spam will be deleted, and have moved on. It's not being done by someone trying to play a game, but for commercial reasons. Delete it before people can see, and it becomes a waste of their time
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, they persist because they are probably being paid to do so, I doubt a bot is creating all the accounts they created. They persist to try to make sure someone sees their spam and buys their service.
How has that worked out for you?
Christian Graus wrote:
They persisted long before I started responding, and kept persisting, through the day.
How has that worked out for you?
Christian Graus wrote:
If anything, I think that they are realising that their spam will be deleted, and have moved on.
How has that worked out for you?
Christian Graus wrote:
Delete it before people can see, and it becomes a waste of their time
Not responding is exactly what I am talking about. Essentially you're deleting it, but without validating it.
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Once it gets to the point that they are all deleted in under a minute, quite plainly.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Once it gets to the point that they are all deleted in under a minute, quite plainly.
they will create another account because they have plainly gotten to you.
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Have you seen the forums where they are not moderated, you move on as you cannot find anything but spam. I think you are mixing trolls and spammers! Spammers get nuked, trolls get ignored.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Have you seen the forums where they are not moderated, you move on as you cannot find anything but spam. I think you are mixing trolls and spammers! Spammers get nuked, trolls get ignored.
No I am saying the same thing from before we had voting or reporting. If you ignore trolls they will go to forums where they will be validated, just as we are doing here,
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Unfortunately, by recognizing these posts you are validating the spammer. It is you that is encouraging them to get another account and spam you some more. You have no one to blame but your righteous indignation. The only effective way to deal with a spammer is to ignore them. They are looking for validation and you are giving them that. I have been saying for years that if you do not validate their bad behavior they will go someplace else where they get a reaction, but some people cannot resist the urge to respond. Continue to validate them and they will continue to spam you. The choice is yours.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesWhat do you mean by "validating" spammers? Is deleting a form of validation (in your definition)? By *not* deleting them, we'd only be increasing their revenue, and they'd come back and post more and more spam once they find out nobody is deleting their posts.
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Unfortunately, by recognizing these posts you are validating the spammer. It is you that is encouraging them to get another account and spam you some more. You have no one to blame but your righteous indignation. The only effective way to deal with a spammer is to ignore them. They are looking for validation and you are giving them that. I have been saying for years that if you do not validate their bad behavior they will go someplace else where they get a reaction, but some people cannot resist the urge to respond. Continue to validate them and they will continue to spam you. The choice is yours.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesCurrent system of "Reporting Spam" in CP is good. If some posts, that look like spam, I can report it here. I think it is good enough to handle these spammers.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're wrong. They are spamming to advertise a service.
And if no one clicked on their link do you think they will persist?
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
And if no one clicked on their link do you think they will persist?
yes its called back-link harvesting and search engines do care...
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Unfortunately, by recognizing these posts you are validating the spammer. It is you that is encouraging them to get another account and spam you some more. You have no one to blame but your righteous indignation. The only effective way to deal with a spammer is to ignore them. They are looking for validation and you are giving them that. I have been saying for years that if you do not validate their bad behavior they will go someplace else where they get a reaction, but some people cannot resist the urge to respond. Continue to validate them and they will continue to spam you. The choice is yours.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI can't help but think you are wrong - these seem to be spam farms - they don't care where they put the stuff, they are paid to post it as much as possible. They don't seem to care that they post the same cr@p as a question and as an answer - which makes the spam less visible since it is removed from the unanswered list, just that they have posted it twice. Commenting on it encourages people to look at the Spam forum, and hopefully means that it all gets nuked earlier - defeating the original purpose of the spam.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
That doesn't make sense. It's spam, not trolling.
If the spammer (probably a bot) from a few threads down had not had his membership cancelled, he would probably have continued to post messages every few minutes for hours.
i.e. the result of an "ignore and move on" policy would have necessitated everyone having to "move on" through numerous pages of the same spammed message.
No-one is responding to the spammers; they're just getting reported and deleted.I don't think these are bots. They are real people with fragile egos that will cease and desist when ignored. You are entitled to your opinion, but how has that been working out for you?
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
You are entitled to your opinion, but how has that been working out for you?
Better than yours, apparently. Bd idea to stand up and shout "I'm smarter than everyone!" in a forum full of highly intelligent people.
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