I kinda like no voting in the lounge....
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Oh yea, you don't like it.... well make my day, vote me down why don't you! :)
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It's not about the points themselves but rather what they imply when used. Points, of themselves, don't mean anything: you can't spend them or eat them but they make conversations fun. This place is hollow and fun-free without them.
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mark merrens wrote:
This place is hollow and fun-free without them.
I think the masses, including myself, would rather not debate on emotions derived from votes. Would you not agree that if you were in a passionate debate and all you were getting was down-votes, wouldn't you get frustrated and eventually quit. How is that a healthy and "fun" debate or conversation? I should be able to express my opinions here, within reason, and not be penalized for saying something someone disagrees with. It took me a few weeks, but I like the no voting in the Lounge. -- my opinion. Happy Holidays to you, Mark. ;)
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It's not about the points themselves but rather what they imply when used. Points, of themselves, don't mean anything: you can't spend them or eat them but they make conversations fun. This place is hollow and fun-free without them.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Here's a fun Gedankenexperiment for you. Imagine you're in a conversation at a party and there were little 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' buttons you could push for every comment someone made. How would that change the dynamics of the party? Would it be 'fun'? Would it be healthy? Would it contribute to the discourse, or inhibit it? Words are powerful and can be used with far greater subtlety than binary approval or disapproval. As I used to tell my 4 year old.... "use your words" :sigh: .
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Here's a fun Gedankenexperiment for you. Imagine you're in a conversation at a party and there were little 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' buttons you could push for every comment someone made. How would that change the dynamics of the party? Would it be 'fun'? Would it be healthy? Would it contribute to the discourse, or inhibit it? Words are powerful and can be used with far greater subtlety than binary approval or disapproval. As I used to tell my 4 year old.... "use your words" :sigh: .
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You're missing the point. There is nothing wrong with healthy debate but the points gave it all an edge. Now it's a bit like the reading room at the British Library. You do realize that votes can also be used to encourage or applaud? (Which should be their primary purpose). By the way the party you talk of is the annual sign language symposium: the fun starts when you get a Yank and Brit trying to talk to each other... :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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You're missing the point. There is nothing wrong with healthy debate but the points gave it all an edge. Now it's a bit like the reading room at the British Library. You do realize that votes can also be used to encourage or applaud? (Which should be their primary purpose). By the way the party you talk of is the annual sign language symposium: the fun starts when you get a Yank and Brit trying to talk to each other... :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
OK, so to break this down a bit, you'd like the ability to quickly indicate agreement (or disagreement), without having to bother writing a post that says "agree" or "disagree" and clutter up the forum. I get that, but it seems rather independent of a reputation measuring mechanism. Perhaps a simple "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" mechanism would achieve that goal without conflating it with reputation. That would probably be better than the previous reputation mechanism, but I suppose I still believe in words. I'd rather have someone respond to my posts with their own thoughts (as you have), than do an immediate poll on each post. That said, since voting seems important to many of us, I'm warming to the compromise.
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OK, so to break this down a bit, you'd like the ability to quickly indicate agreement (or disagreement), without having to bother writing a post that says "agree" or "disagree" and clutter up the forum. I get that, but it seems rather independent of a reputation measuring mechanism. Perhaps a simple "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" mechanism would achieve that goal without conflating it with reputation. That would probably be better than the previous reputation mechanism, but I suppose I still believe in words. I'd rather have someone respond to my posts with their own thoughts (as you have), than do an immediate poll on each post. That said, since voting seems important to many of us, I'm warming to the compromise.
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I'd do both: why limit yourself and it's still about the fun - you really can't take anything here too seriously - I think you're over thinking the whole thing. There was nothing wrong (not too much, anyway) with the points/reputation system but I guess CP has decided it's easier to get rid of it than address the issues.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I'd do both: why limit yourself and it's still about the fun - you really can't take anything here too seriously - I think you're over thinking the whole thing. There was nothing wrong (not too much, anyway) with the points/reputation system but I guess CP has decided it's easier to get rid of it than address the issues.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
I think you're over thinking the whole thing.
Can't help it. I was drawn that way :).
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Tom Clement wrote:
vote me down
I would have done but you'd lose a shit load of points if anyone did that now. This place is boring without the points. Just elephanting boring. No spice. No confrontation. Boring.
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mark merrens wrote:
Just elephanting fucking boring.
Say what you mean. Or try to anyway. :doh:
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mark merrens wrote:
This place is hollow and fun-free without them.
I think the masses, including myself, would rather not debate on emotions derived from votes. Would you not agree that if you were in a passionate debate and all you were getting was down-votes, wouldn't you get frustrated and eventually quit. How is that a healthy and "fun" debate or conversation? I should be able to express my opinions here, within reason, and not be penalized for saying something someone disagrees with. It took me a few weeks, but I like the no voting in the Lounge. -- my opinion. Happy Holidays to you, Mark. ;)
:thumbsup: says it all.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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You're missing the point. There is nothing wrong with healthy debate but the points gave it all an edge. Now it's a bit like the reading room at the British Library. You do realize that votes can also be used to encourage or applaud? (Which should be their primary purpose). By the way the party you talk of is the annual sign language symposium: the fun starts when you get a Yank and Brit trying to talk to each other... :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
talk to speak with each other
FTFY :-D
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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OK, so to break this down a bit, you'd like the ability to quickly indicate agreement (or disagreement), without having to bother writing a post that says "agree" or "disagree" and clutter up the forum. I get that, but it seems rather independent of a reputation measuring mechanism. Perhaps a simple "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" mechanism would achieve that goal without conflating it with reputation. That would probably be better than the previous reputation mechanism, but I suppose I still believe in words. I'd rather have someone respond to my posts with their own thoughts (as you have), than do an immediate poll on each post. That said, since voting seems important to many of us, I'm warming to the compromise.
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:thumbsup:
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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mark merrens wrote:
Just elephanting fucking boring.
Say what you mean. Or try to anyway. :doh:
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesSee, now that deserves a 5!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me