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    Waqas Ahmad Abbasi
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    Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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      Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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      Schizophrenia?

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        Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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        Have a lot of clients who willingly pay you huge amounts of money for very little work, on time, and who come back for more, and more, and more.

        If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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          Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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          Vivi Chellappa
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          One word: Rentacoder.

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            Have a lot of clients who willingly pay you huge amounts of money for very little work, on time, and who come back for more, and more, and more.

            If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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            Roger Wright
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            I think you may be on to something here, Griff. Do you have a list of gullible, fictitious reliable clients you'd like to share with the group? I'd consider such a list a wonderful Christmas gift, which would almost guarantee that I'd include you in my Christmas card mailing list for a couple of years. ;)

            Will Rogers never met me.

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              One word: Rentacoder.

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              OriginalGriff
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              1. They don't exist any more, they changed to vWorker a couple of years ago. 1) He did say "programmer", not "moron that throws code together" 2) He did say "successful", not "will get underbid by some idiot who is willing to work for 3c per day" But I think you are probably right: If he has to ask, he won't understand... :laugh:

              If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                I think you may be on to something here, Griff. Do you have a list of gullible, fictitious reliable clients you'd like to share with the group? I'd consider such a list a wonderful Christmas gift, which would almost guarantee that I'd include you in my Christmas card mailing list for a couple of years. ;)

                Will Rogers never met me.

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                Regrettably, I made myself sign a NDA when I joined my company, and that information is Company Confidential. I would sue myself for everything I own if I revealed the names, and make sure I "never work in this town again" to make an example of myself. And as far as I am aware, Christmas cards have little nutritional value. ;)

                If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  1. They don't exist any more, they changed to vWorker a couple of years ago. 1) He did say "programmer", not "moron that throws code together" 2) He did say "successful", not "will get underbid by some idiot who is willing to work for 3c per day" But I think you are probably right: If he has to ask, he won't understand... :laugh:

                  If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                  Neither does vWorker. They were taken over by FreeLancer sometime back.

                  "Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

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                  • W Waqas Ahmad Abbasi

                    Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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                    BillWoodruff
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                    Merry Xmas, n3rdy, Suggestions: 1. Publish several articles on CodeProject that show creativity, demonstrate unique approaches to common programming tasks, and are examples of effective code style, in terms of format, and appropriate comments. 2. Get published somewhere on the web: write a set of tutorials; create a blog, and fill it up with many useful, and well-written, ideas, technical content, etc. 3. Accept entry level jobs, and complete them, with a recommendation from your prior employer(s). 4. Promote yourself, advertise, in the local area where you live using any means available that would not be considered spam, or tasteless. 5. Find sites on the web for free-lance programming work, and post your resume there, and respond to opportunities, there. yrs, Bill

                    "We live in a world ruled by fictions: mass merchandising, advertising, politics as advertising, instant translation of science, technology, into popular imagery, increasing blur of identity in realms of consumer goods, preempting any free, original, imaginative, response to experience by the television screen. We live in an enormous novel. For a writer it's less necessary to invent a novel's fictional content: fiction's already there. A writer's task is to invent a reality." J. G. Ballard, 1974

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                      Neither does vWorker. They were taken over by FreeLancer sometime back.

                      "Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

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                      November apparently - that's much too recent a news item to reach Wales! :laugh:

                      If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                        Regrettably, I made myself sign a NDA when I joined my company, and that information is Company Confidential. I would sue myself for everything I own if I revealed the names, and make sure I "never work in this town again" to make an example of myself. And as far as I am aware, Christmas cards have little nutritional value. ;)

                        If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                        Well, you could always work in my town, if you like. Yours doesn't sound all that great, anyway, especially if the Christmas cards you get there have no nutritional value. Around here they average about 6 pounds and smell of roast beef and gravy, with faint overtones of well-aged, single-malt scotch. But that's okay - be that way. I'll strike you from the list...

                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                          Merry Xmas, n3rdy, Suggestions: 1. Publish several articles on CodeProject that show creativity, demonstrate unique approaches to common programming tasks, and are examples of effective code style, in terms of format, and appropriate comments. 2. Get published somewhere on the web: write a set of tutorials; create a blog, and fill it up with many useful, and well-written, ideas, technical content, etc. 3. Accept entry level jobs, and complete them, with a recommendation from your prior employer(s). 4. Promote yourself, advertise, in the local area where you live using any means available that would not be considered spam, or tasteless. 5. Find sites on the web for free-lance programming work, and post your resume there, and respond to opportunities, there. yrs, Bill

                          "We live in a world ruled by fictions: mass merchandising, advertising, politics as advertising, instant translation of science, technology, into popular imagery, increasing blur of identity in realms of consumer goods, preempting any free, original, imaginative, response to experience by the television screen. We live in an enormous novel. For a writer it's less necessary to invent a novel's fictional content: fiction's already there. A writer's task is to invent a reality." J. G. Ballard, 1974

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                          Excellent response, Bill, as usual. We may not always agree, but I always enjoy reading your take on things. Your responses are always well reasoned, and well researched, even if your conclusions are dead wrong. ;P It's always a treat to see a new post from you, and to have the opportunity to learn from your experiences and revelations. Thanks for another year of friendship and respectful discourse, and have a very Merry Christmas! :-D

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                            Well, you could always work in my town, if you like. Yours doesn't sound all that great, anyway, especially if the Christmas cards you get there have no nutritional value. Around here they average about 6 pounds and smell of roast beef and gravy, with faint overtones of well-aged, single-malt scotch. But that's okay - be that way. I'll strike you from the list...

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            A very tempting offer - I will add it to my to-do list right after the warp drive and plasma cannons.

                            If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              A very tempting offer - I will add it to my to-do list right after the warp drive and plasma cannons.

                              If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                              Personally, I don't care much about warp drives and plasma cannons - I've been building them in my garage for select customers for years. But if you could find me working plans for a replicator I'd be forever in your debt. There's this blonde at the bar with extraordinary lung capacity, based upon external observations, that I'd like to study more closely, but her husband is rather obstinate, and not at all inclined to support scientific inquiry.

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                                Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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                                Pete OHanlon
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                                You will get lots of advice, but if you are going to use this as your sole source of income then you need to ensure you have enough money put aside to cope with those periods where you aren't working. Don't have more than 30% of your income from a single client. To be honest, this is such a big topic that it can't be answered in a forum post. You need to learn about things like client networking, budgeting, project planning and so on. These are more to do with running a business than being a developer.

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                                  Personally, I don't care much about warp drives and plasma cannons - I've been building them in my garage for select customers for years. But if you could find me working plans for a replicator I'd be forever in your debt. There's this blonde at the bar with extraordinary lung capacity, based upon external observations, that I'd like to study more closely, but her husband is rather obstinate, and not at all inclined to support scientific inquiry.

                                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  There is a simple replicator: Pantograph[^], but you may find this more effective: http://t2.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/02/77/23/400_F_2772345_i3yvyknmKN4UTjarcCRuXjrZqksntA.jpg[^] - apply to husband, then investigate reproduction directly with the lady.

                                  If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                    November apparently - that's much too recent a news item to reach Wales! :laugh:

                                    If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                                    I never knew Wales is in Mars.

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                                      I never knew Wales is in Mars.

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                                      The Spirit of Wales is everywhere, bach!

                                      If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                        Excellent response, Bill, as usual. We may not always agree, but I always enjoy reading your take on things. Your responses are always well reasoned, and well researched, even if your conclusions are dead wrong. ;P It's always a treat to see a new post from you, and to have the opportunity to learn from your experiences and revelations. Thanks for another year of friendship and respectful discourse, and have a very Merry Christmas! :-D

                                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                                        Hi Roger, I wish I could blush :-O ! Your posts are always on my "must read" list, and always enjoyed. A very merry Holy Days season to you, and your family. yrs, Bill

                                        "We live in a world ruled by fictions: mass merchandising, advertising, politics as advertising, instant translation of science, technology, into popular imagery, increasing blur of identity in realms of consumer goods, preempting any free, original, imaginative, response to experience by the television screen. We live in an enormous novel. For a writer it's less necessary to invent a novel's fictional content: fiction's already there. A writer's task is to invent a reality." J. G. Ballard, 1974

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                                        • W Waqas Ahmad Abbasi

                                          Please provide your positive suggestions and advice. :)

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                                          n3rdy wrote:

                                          How one can be successful freelance programmer?

                                          Depends on what you mean by success. But if that somehow embodies making money then a primary requirement is that the programmer must learn how to 'sell'. They must be able to find clients and convince them to pay for the service. Second criteria is that one must learn how to manage the business side. That includes being able to provide good estimates, ones that really represent all of the work. And being able to manage clients which means keeping them satisfied without giving them so much free labor in the process that one fails. It helps also to be able to walk away from the clients that just will not work.

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