Illinois is becoming like most of Europe.
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Aside from being flat broke, they are also about to ban any semi automatic weapon. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, probably slingshot, that usb nerf dart launcher on your desk? Probably illegal soon. http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2013/01/03/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-passes.html
Could you not have posted this in the gun nuts section (aka the soapbox) ? Thanks.
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What part of banning a gun, will stop a criminal from possessing or using one? In a county where these guns are already illegal, a criminal was caught with a fully auto high capacity accepting gun (by my future sister in law). I'll point out a fully auto tec9 has been illegal on the federal level since the 80's.
OK, I understand that in a Country that has an abundance of Guns, banning them now would be a bit like 'Bolting the Stable Door'. But over here Guns are extremely rare, (in fact I have only ever known one person to have a gun and he didn't have any bullets for it). Anyway where's my NYE links?
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Aside from being flat broke, they are also about to ban any semi automatic weapon. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, probably slingshot, that usb nerf dart launcher on your desk? Probably illegal soon. http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2013/01/03/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-passes.html
Not quite the same as the claimed legislation you posted a few days earlier in the Soapbox eh? Next thing you'll be telling us is that the Democrats started rumours that it would be much more draconian, so that when the bill was passed to the Senate, people would say "Phew, it's not as bad as we thought"!
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Could you not have posted this in the gun nuts section (aka the soapbox) ? Thanks.
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Not quite the same as the claimed legislation you posted a few days earlier in the Soapbox eh? Next thing you'll be telling us is that the Democrats started rumours that it would be much more draconian, so that when the bill was passed to the Senate, people would say "Phew, it's not as bad as we thought"!
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I'm genuinely curious as to whether there is a line the gun enthusiasts would draw as to which weapons were and were not suitable for Joe Public? Handguns - fine Single-shot rifles - fine Assault Rifles - fine Flame-throwers - I'm guessing they'd be fine, shoot your deer and BBQ it at the same time? Tanks - ? Helicopter gunships - ? Chemical weapons - ? Nukes - ? Andy B
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Flame-throwers - I'm guessing they'd be fine, shoot your deer and BBQ it at the same time?
Flamethrowers are completely legal to make/own in the U.S., in fact I don't think they've ever been regulated. But let's look in the other direction too, should we ban all knives? Those are also weapons. Only criminals should be allowed to eat steak!
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OK, I understand that in a Country that has an abundance of Guns, banning them now would be a bit like 'Bolting the Stable Door'. But over here Guns are extremely rare, (in fact I have only ever known one person to have a gun and he didn't have any bullets for it). Anyway where's my NYE links?
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You'd probably have to clearly define assault rifle first. I see nothing wrong with semi auto rifles.
So, for you, there would be a line 'somewhere'? It's a question I've asked myself after one of JSOP's posts regarding maintaining a militia capable of overthrowing any despotic government. With the current US armed forces being the most powerful on the planet surely the militia would need to have aircraft-carriers, nukes etc? Andy B
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So, for you, there would be a line 'somewhere'? It's a question I've asked myself after one of JSOP's posts regarding maintaining a militia capable of overthrowing any despotic government. With the current US armed forces being the most powerful on the planet surely the militia would need to have aircraft-carriers, nukes etc? Andy B
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When I did the research the AR style rifles are really kind of cool from an enthusiast perspective. You can keep all of the same hardware and swap out receivers/barrels, depending on what type of shooting you want to do. Want to plink or target shoot in they yard, swap in a .22 receiver, want to hunt, swap in the .223, want to do anything in between swap a few parts. Really, a very cool piece of machinery when you think about it. Of course, considering an 8 round .22 revolver is just as capable of killing kids as an assault rifle, we will all be safer with out the rifles, Not like a revolver fits concealed in your pocket while the rifle has to be visibly carried. But I digress. Ban all guns, all income should go to the government and then be redistributed based on need, cars that go over 60mph are to fast, and trucks are a waste, what we need is global public transit. Every one deserves free health care too; waiting 4 months to see a doctor so you can be denied surgery because you don't fit the right "category" is perfectly acceptable. Oh, and, ban, soccer, that game sucks. (This line is likely the most offensive line in my post)
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It's not so much the legality that is the problem it's the willingness to have them. I am sure that the average American is more eager to own, and believe he has a right to own, an AR15 than your typical Italian.
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It's not so much the legality that is the problem it's the willingness to have them. I am sure that the average American is more eager to own, and believe he has a right to own, an AR15 than your typical Italian.
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What part of banning a gun, will stop a criminal from possessing or using one? In a county where these guns are already illegal, a criminal was caught with a fully auto high capacity accepting gun (by my future sister in law). I'll point out a fully auto tec9 has been illegal on the federal level since the 80's.
Who said it stops them? It's a question of statistics isn't it? First gun culture isn't the norm here, so few people would be thinking of carrying a gun in the first place. Most burglaries, for example, in the UK are opportunistic, so the burglar doesn't feel the need to arm themselves against the householder they are burgling and so don't need to carry guns. Similar logic applies to most other crimes, and probably prevents a lot of heat-of-the-moment shootings too. Additionally, as we have a gun ban, anyone carrying a firearm is [almost] automatically doing something illegal, often the penalty for carrying the gun is worse than the crime the criminal is likely to carry out. This logic follows sane pattern as the above, if you are carrying a gun, your intention is that you are prepared to kill or seriously injure someone who is likely to be unarmed in the progress of your criminal activity. The really heavy criminals are always going to have access to guns, but then there probably less likely to actually shoot someone with them compared to a similarly armed petty criminal. I normally keep out of gun control debates: it's a bit like religion. Both sides think that whoever disagree with them is nuts (as I do, I really can't understand the gun culture in the US) and I've never seen anyone say "You know what- you are right" to someone who opposes them (again I've never heard one pro-gun argument that I've found at all convincing). When topics like this are discussed, it becomes pointless, the same debating positions are raised (endlessly) and people sit in their own positions without really listening (again, I'm guilty of this, and that's why I normally keep out of it).
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LabVIEWstuff wrote:
Flame-throwers - I'm guessing they'd be fine, shoot your deer and BBQ it at the same time?
Flamethrowers are completely legal to make/own in the U.S., in fact I don't think they've ever been regulated. But let's look in the other direction too, should we ban all knives? Those are also weapons. Only criminals should be allowed to eat steak!
Very good point, although like cars knives have other uses whereas guns are designed for killing prey (human or otherwise). Maybe it's just the 'fighting chance' aspect of guns that make us lily-livered liberals queasy? This may be naive but I've always thought that if get a warning and you can run fast enough or hide somewhere you at least have a small chance against a knife attacker, or car, or baseball-bat, whereas against a gun you can't run, can't really hide so you are in essence an execution. Hmm, maybe I'm coming round to the arm-everyone argument, but then surely we'd have to ban alcohol or anything else that impares judgement? Andy B
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OK, I understand that in a Country that has an abundance of Guns, banning them now would be a bit like 'Bolting the Stable Door'. But over here Guns are extremely rare, (in fact I have only ever known one person to have a gun and he didn't have any bullets for it). Anyway where's my NYE links?
My brother in law used to own several licenced handguns - a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and a .44 Magnum revolver (Dirty Harry type), but had to turn them in after the Dunblane massacre[^] I felt much safer afterwards, as he was an alcoholic and I wouldn't trust him with a pea-shooter after he had hit the sauce, never mind a lethal weapon.
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Who said it stops them? It's a question of statistics isn't it? First gun culture isn't the norm here, so few people would be thinking of carrying a gun in the first place. Most burglaries, for example, in the UK are opportunistic, so the burglar doesn't feel the need to arm themselves against the householder they are burgling and so don't need to carry guns. Similar logic applies to most other crimes, and probably prevents a lot of heat-of-the-moment shootings too. Additionally, as we have a gun ban, anyone carrying a firearm is [almost] automatically doing something illegal, often the penalty for carrying the gun is worse than the crime the criminal is likely to carry out. This logic follows sane pattern as the above, if you are carrying a gun, your intention is that you are prepared to kill or seriously injure someone who is likely to be unarmed in the progress of your criminal activity. The really heavy criminals are always going to have access to guns, but then there probably less likely to actually shoot someone with them compared to a similarly armed petty criminal. I normally keep out of gun control debates: it's a bit like religion. Both sides think that whoever disagree with them is nuts (as I do, I really can't understand the gun culture in the US) and I've never seen anyone say "You know what- you are right" to someone who opposes them (again I've never heard one pro-gun argument that I've found at all convincing). When topics like this are discussed, it becomes pointless, the same debating positions are raised (endlessly) and people sit in their own positions without really listening (again, I'm guilty of this, and that's why I normally keep out of it).
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
Additionally, as we have a gun ban, anyone carrying a firearm is [almost] automatically doing something illegal, often the penalty for carrying the gun is worse than the crime the criminal is likely to carry out. This logic follows sane pattern as the above, if you are carrying a gun, your intention is that you are prepared to kill or seriously injure someone who is likely to be unarmed in the progress of your criminal activity.
The sad thing is, in this state, this is already the case. Unfortunately most of these criminals will serve no time for it though. And that to me is the problem. 500+ murders in a city where guns are basically illegal, assault weapons are banned, and carrying a weapon is a felony. The Governor in the meantime, has fought to close prisons, as there allegedly, aren't enough prisoners for them to stay open.
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When I did the research the AR style rifles are really kind of cool from an enthusiast perspective. You can keep all of the same hardware and swap out receivers/barrels, depending on what type of shooting you want to do. Want to plink or target shoot in they yard, swap in a .22 receiver, want to hunt, swap in the .223, want to do anything in between swap a few parts. Really, a very cool piece of machinery when you think about it. Of course, considering an 8 round .22 revolver is just as capable of killing kids as an assault rifle, we will all be safer with out the rifles, Not like a revolver fits concealed in your pocket while the rifle has to be visibly carried. But I digress. Ban all guns, all income should go to the government and then be redistributed based on need, cars that go over 60mph are to fast, and trucks are a waste, what we need is global public transit. Every one deserves free health care too; waiting 4 months to see a doctor so you can be denied surgery because you don't fit the right "category" is perfectly acceptable. Oh, and, ban, soccer, that game sucks. (This line is likely the most offensive line in my post)
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Yeah, it was a mafie joke, but in some seriousness. I know many people of Jewish and Italian dissent that have been raised with a distrust of governments, especially gungrabbers. I'm not playing Godwin's Law, just saying that people of this cultural background have been raised with certain values.