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  • P Pete OHanlon

    If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

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    People really use W8 phones ? :-\

    Nihil obstat

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      People really use W8 phones ? :-\

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      Whodathunkit?

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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        It's a biased rhetoric. The bias is that they done a bad thing. The rhetoric is that Google's policy conflicts with their directive. Note that it's a bias and not a premise, because whether something is 'good' or 'evil' is highly dependent on ones personal interpretation of the concept. The first one is a lot harder... :java:

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          It's a biased rhetoric. The bias is that they done a bad thing. The rhetoric is that Google's policy conflicts with their directive. Note that it's a bias and not a premise, because whether something is 'good' or 'evil' is highly dependent on ones personal interpretation of the concept. The first one is a lot harder... :java:

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          It seems MetroTube (for Win Phones) which is not official Youtube viewer got broken because Google has changed their back end Youtube code base. I think Google is really jealous of the upcoming Windows Market. I would say stop all these nonsense hatred things, Google should use their skills and people to make the community better. Thanks,

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            People really use W8 phones ? :-\

            Nihil obstat

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            Maximilien wrote:

            People really use W8 phones ?

            Yes of course. In germany they made commercials showing about 20 Windows 8 Phone users. Yes! They showed everyone in Germany using Windows 8 Phone. That is cool, isn't it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

              *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

              CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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              :mad:!

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              The internet is a great way to get on the net.

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                There is an easy answer: Google is a company going after money. They're just another business out there and another business out there can do as much evil as any other business out there. Personally, I've never believed in Google's "Do no evil" since they started hiring paid employees.

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                  *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                  The blocking could be a two-edged sword which hurts both Google and Microsoft.

                  TOMZ_KV

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                    CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                    Google has been evil for years now, I would say, ever since the guy that came up with the mantra quit. The privacy issues are the worst. The terms for their services are pretty bad, even worse than facebook. The two matters that came out in the news was the buzz fiasco and the recent terms merger. Google can also be quite annoying in how they connect their services to each other, not unlike what microsoft did and was punished for with IE-bundling in the 90s. Buzz was automatically connected to GMail, and now Google+ is connected to almost every Google service. You can do video chat i GMail, but if you want a conference, you must .. wait for it .. "upgrade" to Google+. They also misuse they position as search monopoly (not really a monopoly, but windows wasn't either - wikipedia defined a monopoly as something different before the open source nerds came in and changed gradually. Apparently they weren't too happy when I linked to the old definition i discussions. I still like open source though). Google has favored their own services over others. It's weird that they can do this until EU comes in, and then change it slighty when the EU/FTC gives them a second chance. Never heard of Microsoft and Intel getting a second chance. Google really hates Microsoft. I don't think most of the employees do, but the leadership does. It seems that Schmidt, Brin and Page has a personal vendetta against MS. That's why they silently deprecate support for services, protocols and formats made by Microsoft - even if they are standards. The stuff I remember is that they recently removed some support (export?) for Office 2003 formats in Docs/Apps, even though lots of people complained about it. They are also removing exchange (ActiveSync) support in GMail, so that Windows Phones can't connect to it anymore. MS got a month to solve the problem. Now, WP users get a lesser good alternative, IMAP :S Another case is the youtube blocking. Youtube employees actually wants youtube to be on all platforms that has millions or more users. They were going to help MS solve the problem until Google execs put the foot down. Just recently they blocked GMaps on Windows Phone aswell, saying; Maps is optimized for WebKit browsers. Now that's evil right there -> Programming their own services that are the most popular to use non-standard WebKit extensions. You see, Google doesn't want Windows Phone to gain any market share, and that's fine, really, but their methods are a bit suspicious. Their arguments for dropping this and that are qui

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                      *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                      CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                      Technically, Google can do lots of bad things and still "do no evil." Corporations aren't evil, they're amoral. They are willing--even obligated--to do bad things at times, but only out of self-interest and normally not out of malice. So, yeah, "do no evil" sounds nice, but it's meaningless. Corporations in general aren't evil, but that doesn't make them good.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                        CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                        Well, Google is a bussines, and regardless of their motto, they can do whatever they want with their tools, you can complain, however they're not obligated to help you (nor to hear you), because, guess what?, you are not their customer, you're just a product for their advertisers, and products don't complain :sigh: .

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? Okay, now here's a tougher one - if Google do a bad thing, with their motto, is it a bad thing? Google have admitted that they deliberately blocked WP8 users from using Google Maps. Source[^]

                          *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                          CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                          bwallan
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                          I detest the way Google handles PICASA links by routing them to Google Plus and totally screwing them up! I use PICASA for a reason; the great layout. Google Plus is not anywhere near the same and really causes confusion at the receivers' end. This is definitely a BAD thing!

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