Anti-Americanism Takes Shape in Western Europe

Stan Shannon

I'd say we have paid you back many times over. Just out of curiosity, how many causualties did the French sustain on American soil in the Revolution? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

HENDRIK R

First of all I think it doesn't make any sense to compare both nations as they had a completely different history, not only regarding war. Stan Shannon wrote: How many did you guys start? Let me think about it ... I can't remember any situation in which I started a war ;) OK, to be honest, yes, there'd been 2 wars initiated by German poiticians. But you can't disregard the European history. War had been a fundamental part of European politics for hundreds of years. And unfortunately some people adopted that way of governing, in case of WWII paired with insanity and more doubtable reasons than ever before. But do you think America had a peaceful history at all? What about the all the Indians killed or dispeled? What about centuries of slavery? Surely these didn't reach the dimension of WWI/WWII, but the reasons are the same questionable. And to come back to today's policy: preemptive war doesn't sound like political correctness, does it?

HENDRIK R

KaЯl wrote: I rather think they use low level methods to attract people (naked girls, scandals, exposure of riches and famous private lifes) to then politically manipulate the Well, I think both are associated. You can only influence somebody when reaching him with your message - and the easiest way to reach people is the methods you mentioned. But I think the papers don't need much effords to 'manipulate' people - the people are doing it on their own, espacially if a news is sensational enough. And the papers aren't everytime interested in politics - what they want is high outsells, and politics is a capable method to reach that goal. Especially nowadays, when politics is number one topic of conversation. Influencing people sometimes is only a side-effect when people believe and adopt all the papers tell them. But that's too often the case.

Stan Shannon

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Have you ever been there? Hell, I've never even seen the Atlantic Ocean. In fact, I don't believe anyone in my family has seen it since about 1760 or so. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Jorgen Sigvardsson

America

You successfully got rid of the real americans

West Africa

Here's where you recruited "free labour"

Korea

Against communism

Vietnam

Again, against communism

The US is right up there with the french and the germans in the hall of fame. What's your point? There are no innocent countries. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

HENDRIK R

Stan Shannon wrote: The French and the German's bring out the worst in me. They always remind of Stanley Laurel's famous line: "Remember how dumb I used to be, I'm better now". Seems to me like you know nothing about our nations. Why do you measure us on the actions of our ancestors? Who often themselves fighted against f***king political influences. But we are people not different from you, living their lifes, having a job and a family. And as I already mentioned in a former post: what about your history? Seems like you really believe the US are heaven on earth. Aren't you reminded on what happened at the beginning of settlement and some centuries on?

Jason Henderson

Remember the ~40,000 Americans (buried in Normandy) who died for your liberation. That's the price WE paid for you. Don't ever forget it, as we will never forget what you did for us.

Jason Henderson
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Stan Shannon

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: You successfully got rid of the real americans They were not Americans. They were Cherokees, Commanches and such. They would have slit your throat for calling them American. And if you will check your history you will find that it was the powers of Europe who started that process. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: West Africa Here's where you recruited "free labour" Agains, instigated by Europeans, solved by Americans. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Korea Against communism Vietnam Again, against communism As with Fascism, being against Communism is a good thing, what's *your* point? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

KaRl

Stan Shannon wrote: I'd say we have paid you back many times over You said also we never have been right. Stan Shannon wrote: Just out ofcuriosity, how many casualties did the French sustain on American soil in the Revolution If you ask the question like this, I suppose you have already an answer. Here [^]you may find the comparative casualties resulting from the battle of Yorktown Here [^] is the list of the killed during the campaign, aprroximatively 600 killed for a force of 8,800 men. It's not a ratio comparable to the ones of the battle of Verdun, but it's quiet high in a time when there was no machine-gun, flame thrower or toxic gazes.

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HENDRIK R

You talk about Europe all the time. But dont't you see that your ancestors have been European just as ours (unless you derive from Africans/Asians/Indinas)? So what is the big difference between you and us?

Mike Gaskey

Schlaubi wrote: preemptive war doesn't sound like political correctness, does it? No, just sound survival technique. Mike

KaRl

I don't believe US land in Normandy to free France, but to defeat Nazism, which is slightly different. A proof of this is the non-intervention of the US before the declaration of war by the 3rd Reich the 12/11/42, another is the original will of the US to impose AMGOT. OTOH, I don't think France intervened in 1781 to help the US, rather to weaken UK. However, don't worry, I would never forget these men and women, I've paid homage to them several times and will do it again in the future, even when GWB will bomb us.

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HENDRIK R

KaЯl wrote: ...even when GWB will bomb us Don't say it too loud as you now are neary part of the axle of devil...

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Stan Shannon wrote: Hell, I've never even seen the Atlantic Ocean. In fact, I don't believe anyone in my family has seen it since about 1760 or so. You should! It's an amazing sight. :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

I think I'm still heavily classified :) I :suss: NSA to listen to my phones calls ;)

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Lost User

Or because the west sold the weapons in the first place.... "Mr. Rumsfled, what role did you play in the supply of chemical weapons used by Iraq against Iranian civilians ?" Check out US support for Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, which was fomented by Iraq. :suss: The tigress is here :-D

Lost User

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Korea Vietnam Both situations caused by fallout from WW2. We stuck around to clean-up the messes while Europeans re-built. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Mike Mullikin wrote: Both situations caused by fallout from WW2. How do you figure? If anything, it was related to Stalin and Soviet. I just don't see the WW2-connection other than Stalin being involved in WW2. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

Lost User

Yeah, I was refering to the East(Russia/China) and the West(US/UK/etc) splitting everything up after WW2. These people (Germans, Koreans, Vietnamese) had been living together for many centuries and then we come along and split'em up for no good reason. Mike Mullikin :beer:

I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Stan Shannon wrote: They would have slit your throat for calling them American. Gee, I wonder why! Stan Shannon wrote: And if you will check your history you will find that it was the powers of Europe who started that process. Yeah, but you were so kind to nearly finish it. Stan Shannon wrote: As with Fascism, being against Communism is a good thing, what's *your* point? My point had nothing to do with communism or fascism. I just wanted to get through your thick skull (pardon my french) that there are no countries with an innocent history. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"