So I have a petition
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
I would, but I won't create an account. I don't need more accounts.
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I would, but I won't create an account. I don't need more accounts.
I understand the sentiment but :puppyeyes: Please, just this once? :puppyeyes:
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
Hi GeekForChrist, I wish you personally the best, and I hope you can fulfill your dream, if your health condition is medically certified to allow you to pilot a plane safely. There are varying types of diabetes, and its related symptoms, and pathologies, as you well know. I've personally worked with older persons with diabetes, undoubtedly with more severe (blindness, amputation of feet required, etc.) conditions than you have. Even if you documented, medically, how your type, and degree, of diabetes, and your insulin-dependence, is not a threat to your safely piloting an airplane, I believe a petition addressing only your particular condition, and its prognosis, would, I think, have zero chance of getting 100k signatures. The only chance I believe you would ever have of getting 100k names on a petition for a change in (US FAA rules ?) in pilot-certification, when diabetes is present, would be: one where you petition that "diabetics as a class" are treated as they are in Canada (where, I assume, certification for being a commercial pilot is determined by individual medical review, and, I would guess, frequent follow-up reviews). I don't mean to be a "wet blanket" here, but I think the chances of your getting 100k names on a petition of any type, in this area, in less than a month are: zero. In any case, good luck ! Canada beckons ? yrs, Bill
"What do humans depend on: words ! We're suspended in language: we can never say what's up: or, down. We must communicate experience and ideas, but in ways that do not become ambiguous, and lose objectivity. For parallels to quantum theory: we must turn to psychology, or to paradoxes thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tzu illuminated, examining reality, as both observer, and actor, in human life's small-scale micro-cosmic drama." Niels Bohr, 1937
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Hi GeekForChrist, I wish you personally the best, and I hope you can fulfill your dream, if your health condition is medically certified to allow you to pilot a plane safely. There are varying types of diabetes, and its related symptoms, and pathologies, as you well know. I've personally worked with older persons with diabetes, undoubtedly with more severe (blindness, amputation of feet required, etc.) conditions than you have. Even if you documented, medically, how your type, and degree, of diabetes, and your insulin-dependence, is not a threat to your safely piloting an airplane, I believe a petition addressing only your particular condition, and its prognosis, would, I think, have zero chance of getting 100k signatures. The only chance I believe you would ever have of getting 100k names on a petition for a change in (US FAA rules ?) in pilot-certification, when diabetes is present, would be: one where you petition that "diabetics as a class" are treated as they are in Canada (where, I assume, certification for being a commercial pilot is determined by individual medical review, and, I would guess, frequent follow-up reviews). I don't mean to be a "wet blanket" here, but I think the chances of your getting 100k names on a petition of any type, in this area, in less than a month are: zero. In any case, good luck ! Canada beckons ? yrs, Bill
"What do humans depend on: words ! We're suspended in language: we can never say what's up: or, down. We must communicate experience and ideas, but in ways that do not become ambiguous, and lose objectivity. For parallels to quantum theory: we must turn to psychology, or to paradoxes thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tzu illuminated, examining reality, as both observer, and actor, in human life's small-scale micro-cosmic drama." Niels Bohr, 1937
Yes, I realize it is on individual medical review but, as a whole, they won't even consider such a review. That's my biggest problem with the system.
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
GeekforChrist wrote:
So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes),
I would say that is not true. You can read a lot of things about how raw diets can cure even type 1. I know people would say it's bull. Normally I would as well except my wife does not take shots anymore. She's been diabetic since she was a kid, and a side affect of us getting healthy was her not having to take insulin shots anymore.
If it moves, compile it
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
I don't know enough about insulin dependent diabetes, but i don't want someone flying my plane who has a high risk of medical issues - so my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each case individually to assess the risk. Of course this would be expensive so may have to be at the expense of the potential pilot - but sounds fair enough to me; if you think you are fit enough to be a pilot, come see our doctors, show your medical history and, if you pass, you can sit in the comfy seats at the front of the flying bus.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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If insulin-dependent_diabetic and living_in_US and want_to_be_pilot then
Messagebox.show("That doesn't work!")
End IfThat pretty much describes me. I'm 17 and I want to be a pilot. (I know that I can be a private pilot but that's no good. I want something I can be paid for. :-\ ) So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes), I'm trying to lower the bar of entry to be a pilot. I suppose I could move to Canada, but that's really not on the table yet. :~ So, I've started a petition at WhiteHouse.gov[^]. Anyone (a resident of the US) who would be willing to sign it? I would really appreciate if I could make the 100,000 signature mark by February 16 (the deadline)! :cool: Thanks so much!
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An ex of mine's father was killed by a diabetic who slipped into a diabetic coma driving a lorry and ploughed into him as he changed a wheel on their trailer tent on the hard shoulder of a motorway. Dragged his body a good few hundred yards down the side of the motorway. I also know lots of diabetics who have never killed anyone.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
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Yes, I realize it is on individual medical review but, as a whole, they won't even consider such a review. That's my biggest problem with the system.
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An ex of mine's father was killed by a diabetic who slipped into a diabetic coma driving a lorry and ploughed into him as he changed a wheel on their trailer tent on the hard shoulder of a motorway. Dragged his body a good few hundred yards down the side of the motorway. I also know lots of diabetics who have never killed anyone.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
Years ago while still working construction, we had a bulldozer operator that slipped into a diabetic coma while on the dozer. In the middle of a very crowded area of the city, The dozer trundled right up to the edge of an 8 lane road and only stopped when the blade hit a concrete barrier at the side of the road. It could have been ugly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
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GeekforChrist wrote:
So rather than change the impossible (get rid of diabetes),
I would say that is not true. You can read a lot of things about how raw diets can cure even type 1. I know people would say it's bull. Normally I would as well except my wife does not take shots anymore. She's been diabetic since she was a kid, and a side affect of us getting healthy was her not having to take insulin shots anymore.
If it moves, compile it
That sounds nice. :)
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I don't know enough about insulin dependent diabetes, but i don't want someone flying my plane who has a high risk of medical issues - so my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each case individually to assess the risk. Of course this would be expensive so may have to be at the expense of the potential pilot - but sounds fair enough to me; if you think you are fit enough to be a pilot, come see our doctors, show your medical history and, if you pass, you can sit in the comfy seats at the front of the flying bus.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
so my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each case individually to assess the risk.
I agree with that. Unfortunately, I didn't think to word it that way when I made the petition. :doh:
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I don't know enough about insulin dependent diabetes, but i don't want someone flying my plane who has a high risk of medical issues - so my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each case individually to assess the risk. Of course this would be expensive so may have to be at the expense of the potential pilot - but sounds fair enough to me; if you think you are fit enough to be a pilot, come see our doctors, show your medical history and, if you pass, you can sit in the comfy seats at the front of the flying bus.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each case individually to assess the risk.
I totally agree with that. Unfortunately, I didn't think to word the petition that way. :doh:
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Dalek Dave wrote:
pilots who are at an increased risk of falling ill at 35,000 ft
I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me. For instance, the current rules for private pilots is that the BG(Blood Glucose) has to be above 100 mg/dl. I have been down to 31 or 32 mg/dl without going into a diabetic coma. I would definitely know before it happened and take action to prevent it. So, I appreciate the fact that people want their pilot to keep them alive, but I believe that I should be able to have a chance at it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
pilots who are at an increased risk of falling ill at 35,000 ft
I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me. For instance, the current rules for private pilots is that the BG(Blood Glucose) has to be above 100 mg/dl. I have been down to 31 or 32 mg/dl without going into a diabetic coma. I would definitely know before it happened and take action to prevent it. So, I appreciate the fact that people want their pilot to keep them alive, but I believe that I should be able to have a chance at it.
GeekforChrist wrote:
I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me.
There will always be exceptions to rules in any large population but that doesn't alter the fact that economics means that people must be dealt with in groups and not as individuals. Of course it is often the case that an individual can use economics to impact the rules. So for example one can make enough money that one can afford to go some place where the rules are not as stringent. But it isn't a requirement that society must provide the opportunity. And rules based on groups of people should strive to be objectively based. Thus for example the fact that there are individuals who can drive very well while drunk way past the normal limits (and quite possibly drive better than when sober) cannot be allowed to be the criteria by which every individual gets to decide whether their skills at a specific moment of time are up to the task.
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GeekforChrist wrote:
I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me.
There will always be exceptions to rules in any large population but that doesn't alter the fact that economics means that people must be dealt with in groups and not as individuals. Of course it is often the case that an individual can use economics to impact the rules. So for example one can make enough money that one can afford to go some place where the rules are not as stringent. But it isn't a requirement that society must provide the opportunity. And rules based on groups of people should strive to be objectively based. Thus for example the fact that there are individuals who can drive very well while drunk way past the normal limits (and quite possibly drive better than when sober) cannot be allowed to be the criteria by which every individual gets to decide whether their skills at a specific moment of time are up to the task.
Wow. I've never thought of it like that. Thanks for the insight. :thumbsup: